You are scraping that barrel again, your arguing like a school kid.

Trump is worth 2.8 billion and you think it's down to acting, you are looking more silly by the day.

Not arguing at all, you asked for something successful about trump, I'm agreeing with you, he won an election. I think he's very clever how he played that

Why is everything about left and right?

There's a point of principle that he is divisive and because he gets a big thumbs up from the rednecks doesn't make him more credible

He certainly did, and understood the Zeitgeist much better than most but I would also argue, and this is coming from a right-wing POV, that if Trump is the answer then surely people must start to ask what the hell is the question?

Conventional politics is clearly failing all around. And not only politics but the media as well. For me, the constant narrative about Trump never standing a chance was an abject inability of a media establishment unable to actually see what was going on in clear sight. From how Trump strolled to the nomination to the queues outside his rallys to a hundred other small but significant indicators that he was doing well, still we were told, time and time again, that he never stood a chance.

And, with different markers, Brexit.

Now I get why people are horrified about Trump. I will admit to my own doubts as well and I question at times how much the Schadenfreude is worth to cheer him on in that I suspect I loathe more those who oppose Trump than actually have that much faith in him but the reaction of those who proclaim to dislike him so much never fails to give that rather wonderful German word a boost every time.

Ditto with the hysteria around Brexit with the bleating from those unhappy with our departure a fine example of the sort of self-defeating nonsense you see from those, and often they are one and the same, who loathe Trump so much.

Here is a piece of advice for many of those on the left. If you stopped being such w***ers, just for a few moments, you might actually start winning people over a little.

But you won't. The thrill of being 'anti' along with the terrible addiction to virtue signalling means you will carry on with being such terrible s***-c***s and fail to win over anybody with half a brain.

Which is a shame because you actually have some ideas worth at least considering.

Edited by Matov (25 Apr 2019 10.32am)

Edited by Matov (25 Apr 2019 10.36am)

Trump is hardly the most divisive entity in the brave new world. Identity politics has created the environment where Donald Trump became POTUS. He is not the cause of division but a symptom of it.

We all know why there is more division and friction in the world. The multicultural disaster and too many people.
People in the third world want what we have in the West.
Most of us in the West with a brain know where that is heading.

He certainly did, and understood the Zeitgeist much better than most but I would also argue, and this is coming from a right-wing POV, that if Trump is the answer then surely people must start to ask what the hell is the question?

Conventional politics is clearly failing all around. And not only politics but the media as well. For me, the constant narrative about Trump never standing a chance was an abject inability of a media establishment unable to actually see what was going on in clear sight. From how Trump strolled to the nomination to the queues outside his rallys to a hundred other small but significant indicators that he was doing well, still we were told, time and time again, that he never stood a chance.

And, with different markers, Brexit.

Now I get why people are horrified about Trump. I will admit to my own doubts as well and I question at times how much the Schadenfreude is worth to cheer him on in that I suspect I loathe more those who oppose Trump than actually have that much faith in him but the reaction of those who proclaim to dislike him so much never fails to give that rather wonderful German word a boost every time.

Ditto with the hysteria around Brexit with the bleating from those unhappy with our departure a fine example of the sort of self-defeating nonsense you see from those, and often they are one and the same, who loathe Trump so much.

Here is a piece of advice for many of those on the left. If you stopped being such w***ers, just for a few moments, you might actually start winning people over a little.

But you won't. The thrill of being 'anti' along with the terrible addiction to virtue signalling means you will carry on with being such terrible s***-c***s and fail to win over anybody with half a brain.

Which is a shame because you actually have some ideas worth at least considering.

Edited by Matov (25 Apr 2019 10.32am)

Edited by Matov (25 Apr 2019 10.36am)