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Which of the following do you think would make the best Prime Minister? Boris Johnson - 39% Jeremy Corbyn - 19% Don't know - 37% - YOUGOV 8th Aug
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| deleted user 09 Aug 19 5.43pm |
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 Stirlingsays 09 Aug 19 5.57pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
More than possible. But trade and migration go hand in hand, if it is the 'open borders' notion you are alluding to. And the EU is, despite appearances, protectionist in both. Yes, we hear a lot of hot air about migration but when all those Soc.libs are virtue signalling about how barbaric Salvini is with his hard approach to turning away ships full of illegal migrants, none of them are offering to take them in themselves. And with hard-borders being imposed across Europe at an alarming rate. The EU wants to lock out the rest of the world. That is the point of it. It wants to make sure we buy Irish meat or eat French cheese and use Spanish Olive-oil and pay top Euro for it. Ain't none of them queuing up to make the mistake that Merkal did. Yep, the EU is a financial disaster waiting to happen and to me at least is an example of politicians drunk with power and idealism and acting like a United States of Europe when it has absolutely no mandate for it and is quite unpopular throughout Europe itself. This country only ever gave consent to a trading community and still rejected rule from Brussels despite huge waves of immigration since the early seventies....which, if they voted on this issue would have voted significantly pro EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2019 6.00pm)
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| Matov 10 Aug 19 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Having studied the issues around the 75 referendum a little more now (and yes, that is rather sad to save anybody the bother) I am reaching the conclusion that even this 'trading community' narrative was a con job. Even back then the 'Common Market' was overwhelmingly a political construct and our UK political elite was conning us about this even back then. I refuse to aim my ire at any European politician for this mess because it is purely a British construct. I even have some sympathy for the Remainer position that claims the EU became an effective scape-Goat for domestic political ills Don't get me wrong, I am more convinced than ever that our future is far better on the out but we need to focus all our ire on our own politicians for leading us this far down the path so that exiting the mess has become seemingly so difficult. But we have to go now. They aint ever going to give us a second chance. This truly is the s*** or bust moment.
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| chris123 hove actually 10 Aug 19 12.01pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Having studied the issues around the 75 referendum a little more now (and yes, that is rather sad to save anybody the bother) I am reaching the conclusion that even this 'trading community' narrative was a con job. Even back then the 'Common Market' was overwhelmingly a political construct and our UK political elite was conning us about this even back then. I refuse to aim my ire at any European politician for this mess because it is purely a British construct. I even have some sympathy for the Remainer position that claims the EU became an effective scape-Goat for domestic political ills Don't get me wrong, I am more convinced than ever that our future is far better on the out but we need to focus all our ire on our own politicians for leading us this far down the path so that exiting the mess has become seemingly so difficult. But we have to go now. They aint ever going to give us a second chance. This truly is the s*** or bust moment. It was ok up until Maastricht in my view.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 10 Aug 19 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Having studied the issues around the 75 referendum a little more now (and yes, that is rather sad to save anybody the bother) I am reaching the conclusion that even this 'trading community' narrative was a con job. Even back then the 'Common Market' was overwhelmingly a political construct and our UK political elite was conning us about this even back then. I refuse to aim my ire at any European politician for this mess because it is purely a British construct. I even have some sympathy for the Remainer position that claims the EU became an effective scape-Goat for domestic political ills Don't get me wrong, I am more convinced than ever that our future is far better on the out but we need to focus all our ire on our own politicians for leading us this far down the path so that exiting the mess has become seemingly so difficult. But we have to go now. They aint ever going to give us a second chance. This truly is the s*** or bust moment. Agreed. Years later Heath admitted he lied and knew from the very start that the EEC had political ambitions. This is the crux of the matter European voters were well aware of what the EEC was likely to become whilst British politicians lied through their teeth and told us it was only a free trade bloc. If they had been honest from the start I don't know if we still would have joined but if we had at least it would have been a honest decision. The anger of today dates back to then and they are still singing the same song. The EU will eventually become the United States of Europe and yet Remain politicians are still saying it aint gonna happen and we don't have to agree to it. Do they really think we are that dumb? Why not be honest as I have said many times on this forum when do you ever hear a British politician praise the EU and say yes we want more integration. All you get is it's not that bad and we can change things and, project fear, hardly a ringing endorsement of the EU vision.
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| DanH SW2 11 Aug 19 10.25am |
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UKIP strengthening their brand by literally appointing Dick Braine as their new leader.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Aug 19 10.54am |
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Originally posted by DanH
UKIP strengthening their brand by literally appointing Dick Braine as their new leader. Heard him on LBC total number of votes casts for all candidates was around 5000. Bye bye UKIP, If Boris gets us out I think they will be an irrelevancy.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 19 11.51am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Heard him on LBC total number of votes casts for all candidates was around 5000. Bye bye UKIP, If Boris gets us out I think they will be an irrelevancy. I suspect it was bye bye UKIP as soon as Farage dumped them. He is so iconic to the Eurosceptics that he is their talisman to an even greater degree than Zaha is to Palace. If that dug their grave then his new party built the mausoleum.
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| deleted user 12 Aug 19 7.50pm |
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Westminster voting intention: CON: 31% (+1) via @OpiniumResearch 10TH Aug
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| Badger11 Beckenham 12 Aug 19 8.03pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Westminster voting intention: CON: 31% (+1) via @OpiniumResearch 10TH Aug
Assuming we have a GE this year, if Farage can just target Labour MPs and Tory Remain MPs that should be enough to get the job done.
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| Spiderman Horsham 12 Aug 19 8.44pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Assuming we have a GE this year, if Farage can just target Labour MPs and Tory Remain MPs that should be enough to get the job done. Certainly those Remain MPs whose constituents voted to leave (ie Yvette Cooper, Dominic Grieve)
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