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 cpfc_chap  koh samui 29 Aug 19 11.38am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Cue the vote was advisory (yawn). Or no mandate for no deal!! If the originally referendum was non binding or advisory, why did so many remainers vote if it meant nothing?
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Rudi Hedman  Caterham 29 Aug 19 11.52am |
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What’s Paul Mason up to then? He was originally a leaver, just not under the tories. I’ve seen Paul Mason on a joe,co.U.K video sat on a protest. It’s all to do with ‘Boris undermining democracy and being elected under a coup of 150,000 old white racists voting him in.’ (Willo lol) Nothing about parliament undermining democracy meaning Boris has to do this. Paul Mason was all for Brexit. I lost track of it all through the months and quartets of objections. Why not now? Too Tory a Brexit? Not to no deal? What exactly?
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Aug 19 2.34pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Oh the irony. I notice you fail to make any actual predictions. I repeat, the UK is a coveted investment country and will continue to be so. Yes, that is why the US companies are waiting until the Pound hits rock bottom before buying all our 'family silver' businesses. It is being openly discussed.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Aug 19 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Yes, that is why the US companies are waiting until the Pound hits rock bottom before buying all our 'family silver' businesses. It is being openly discussed. Errr....have not our companies already been sold away to foreigners by....cough cough...selfish nilistic neo liberals who don't and have never cared about 'family silver' or the nation state......Ah 'family silver', evoking a generation of leaders who actually gave a feck....even if they made other massive mistakes. Selling this nation down the road wasn't done by types like me......So forgive me if I look at this as nothing but a continuation of what has and still is happening anyway. Except here it isn't by an external foreign force who write half our laws in parliament and insist that we can't have our own border rules.....nor want their own independent army and the eventual end of all sovereignty. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Aug 2019 2.58pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Aug 19 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Errr....have not our companies already been sold away to foreigners by....cough cough...selfish nilistic neo liberals who don't and have never cared about 'family silver' or the nation state......Ah 'family silver'. That wasn't done by types like me......So forgive me if I look at this as nothing but a continuation of what has and still is happening anyway. Except here it isn't by an external foreign force who write half our laws in parliament. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Aug 2019 2.50pm) Oh dear, you don't really understand the legal system do you. So it's fine to sell our businesses on the cheap. And for more and more of us to work for US corporations. Please note that US owned businesses are subject to US regulations. So, for example, if the US wishes to impose sanctions with which we don't agree, our companies have to anyway. Like I have said before, be a part of a strong group but cede some autonomy for an overall greater voice (as was expressly discussed BEFORE we entered Europe), or simply bite the pillow. I am sure we shall all get used to the latter. And one day they'll let us vote for POTUS. Just like Greenland.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 29 Aug 19 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
True, but as of 2018 there were 5.7m british businesses. 96% had less than 9 employees, and 99.9% had less than 250. Making the 6% stat pretty meaningless.
C'mon je, you're better than that.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Aug 19 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Oh dear, you don't really understand the legal system do you. So it's fine to sell our businesses on the cheap. And for more and more of us to work for US corporations. Please note that US owned businesses are subject to US regulations. So, for example, if the US wishes to impose sanctions with which we don't agree, our companies have to anyway. Like I have said before, be a part of a strong group but cede some autonomy for an overall greater voice (as was expressly discussed BEFORE we entered Europe), or simply bite the pillow. I am sure we shall all get used to the latter. And one day they'll let us vote for POTUS. Just like Greenland. Once again you miss the point....and just waffle on your own talking points. What you state is no different to how it is in the EU. And please don't make the suggestion that somehow this country accepted the idea of pooling anything like the amounts of sovereignty that Prime Ministers signed away in treaties after 75. Because that simply isn't the case. Every treaty that signed away the highest law making powers to a foreign body should have come with a referendum.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 29 Aug 19 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Ah, because 6% of businesses export to the EU? And if I said that 6% actually employs 53.7% of all employees in the UK, would you be able to disprove that? If I then went on to say that many of the microbusinesses and SMEs are suppliers to exporters and will be indirectly strongly affected would you like to argue that one? I think we have already established you have never studied Logic. i think the whole of projects 'fear' and 'leave' base a lot of their assumptions on this one word as IF its fact.
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Aug 19 3.26pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
C'mon je, you're better than that. In that case read again what I wrote on the same topic. Instead of your bland and meaningless objection. Edited by Mapletree (29 Aug 2019 3.39pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Aug 19 3.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Once again you miss the point....and just waffle on your own talking points. What you state is no different to how it is in the EU. And please don't make the suggestion that somehow this country accepted the idea of pooling anything like the amounts of sovereignty that Prime Ministers signed away in treaties after 75. Because that simply isn't the case. Every treaty that signed away the highest law making powers to a foreign body should have come with a referendum. Yes, the discussions were quite clear on the pooling of sovereignty as you put it. Both prior to 1973 and again in 1975. You may not have been around then though. I have previously posted historic documentation on this point. You haven't listened to Wisbech have you. We operate representative democracy through the mother of all Parliaments. Referenda have multiple flaws.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 29 Aug 19 3.44pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Yes, that is why the US companies are waiting until the Pound hits rock bottom before buying all our 'family silver' businesses. It is being openly discussed. You're quite probably right; but only because Brown already got rid of the 'family gold'
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| Stirlingsays 29 Aug 19 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Yes, the discussions were quite clear on the pooling of sovereignty as you put it. Both prior to 1973 and again in 1975. You may not have been around then though. I have previously posted historic documentation on this point.
The vote was only and I repeat only for the terms of the common market that we entered into. You claiming for anything else is disingenuous. Originally posted by Mapletree
You haven't listened to Wisbech have you. We operate representative democracy through the mother of all Parliaments. Referenda have multiple flaws.
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