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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag Living The Dream 26 Sep 19 8.21pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The job of any Parliament is NOT to give people what they want, but what they need. The job of the electorate is to choose that Parliament and to change it if what they are given is not, upon reflection, seen to have been the best choice.

Populism appeals to the worst instincts of society. Greed and selfishness being primary examples.

And how are the people able to change parliament if the opposition won't agree to an election when offered ?

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Sep 19 8.47pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

And how are the people able to change parliament if the opposition won't agree to an election when offered ?

You're wasting time debating with this clown. You could argue the sun rises every morning & he'll argue it doesn't. File under 'Smart Ass' or 'Know all'

 


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jeeagles Flag 26 Sep 19 9.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The gall of the Labour party for criticising Boris for his language.
Corby has reached a new low by using Jo Cox in his pathetic strategy. The only people causing division and anger in this country are Remainers by delaying Brexit.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Sep 19 9.17pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The job of any Parliament is NOT to give people what they want, but what they need. The job of the electorate is to choose that Parliament and to change it if what they are given is not, upon reflection, seen to have been the best choice.

Populism appeals to the worst instincts of society. Greed and selfishness being primary examples.

The theory of the wisdom of crowds suggests that with 100,000 people for every MP they might sometimes be better able to judge what is best for them.

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 26 Sep 19 9.21pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

You hard right pseudo-patriots still at it ? &#128518;

Yes of course Brexit led by a bunch of entitled buffoons taking the piss of you is still a good idea for the UK &#128516;

I see migration from African and Asian countries is up. Just what you’d hoped for, what ?

Ah well - blind leading the blind


Hey! Good to see you Kermie.....

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 9.25pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With respect, I am reminded of a word used by Johnson yesterday - "Humbug".

I certainly do not accept your line of argument in relation to "Condoning" and "Compassion".

Apropos the MPs judgement, Labour would have opposed ANY deal that May had agreed with the EU for their own party political ends.Accordingly one could argue that they are using their "best judgement" to deliver what they believe is in their own and their party's best interests.This is my view which differs from yours but as ever I respect your view and don't feel it necessary to use words like "Fails to recognise" in order to strengthen my case.

I would be delighted to continue this debate tonight but I have arranged a tipple with a local Conservative councillor ! Have a good evening.

Edited by Willo (26 Sep 2019 7.18pm)

Not to condone something is to condemn those who do it. Compassion is directed at those who suffer from it.

I condemn the Labour party's approach every bit as much as you. They have failed to do their job as MPs but that doesn't change the job of MPs.

Enjoy your drink. My local County Councillor is an independent and does a thoroughly good job, free of any need to look over his shoulder. He thinks we were mad to vote to leave the EU because of the level of support that we get locally.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 9.54pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst


And how do you split that.
MPs are so far up the food chain they could never know what the public want.
They can guess but never be a typical member of the public.
As for your remarks about no one knew what brexit meant; what does remain mean, exactly,
as even remaining has changes going forwards.
What are these changes and new laws as there will be some for sure.
I voted remain but the more I see avoidance of what the public 'wanted'as a majority the more I know I voted the wrong way.
For what it would have been worth!

You don't "split" it. People want different things, just reading the posts here tells you that. Some shout it constantly, others not at all. Everyone though matter equally. It's Parliament's job to listen to the arguments, blank out the noise, and then make the decisions.

No-one knew what Brexit actually meant because the complexity had not been identified, let alone discussed. Remaining within the EU would certainly involve evolutionary change but every important step is under our total control as to whether we agree or not.

You ought always cast your vote in a GE. That's where it really matters.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 10.03pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

And how are the people able to change parliament if the opposition won't agree to an election when offered ?

The government don't control the timetable.

Parliament will now decide the timing of the next GE.

It will take place when the risk of a no deal exit has been removed for good.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 10.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

You're wasting time debating with this clown. You could argue the sun rises every morning & he'll argue it doesn't. File under 'Smart Ass' or 'Know all'

Strange that! The sun rises has risen every morning in my life and will tomorrow, I confidently predict.

But of course this "smart ass know it all" might be wrong. Convince me!

 


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View cpfc_chap's Profile cpfc_chap Flag koh samui 26 Sep 19 10.18pm Send a Private Message to cpfc_chap Add cpfc_chap as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The government don't control the timetable.

Parliament will now decide the timing of the next GE.

It will take place when the risk of a no deal exit has been removed for good.

So what happens when a majority leave wins the next ge namely brexit and Tories combined surely they'll just revoke taking no deal off the table?

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Sep 19 10.31pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Strange that! The sun rises has risen every morning in my life and will tomorrow, I confidently predict.

But of course this "smart ass know it all" might be wrong. Convince me!

The sun doesn’t rise. The Earth just spins around it. Convinced?

 

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jeeagles Flag 26 Sep 19 10.43pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The gall of the Labour party for criticising Boris for his language.
Corby has reached a new low by using Jo Cox in his pathetic strategy. The only people causing division and anger in this country are Remainers by delaying Brexit.

Did anyone else see the irony in an MP hysterically screaming at the PM to mind his language whilst citing the murder of another MP when trying to make a point about toning down language using in the commons.

"No deal brexit" is also provocative language. They should say, leaving the EU trade agreements and signing up to WTO terms, but that doesn't sound sexy.

"Project Fear" was also provocative language, but that was referring to a negative remain campaign that has failed to materialise, at least to the extent predicted. Sure, the pound is low and my skiing holiday is now f***ing expensive, but stocks are up, house prices and immigration are slowing, unemployment is down, wages are rising, the national debt is shrinking, the balance of payments has improved.

It was good parliament has a debate on language today and Jo Cox's husband was critical of both sides.

Anyone on HoL see a solution to parliaments complete gridlock? Boris is either hoping that another nation will veto our request for an extension, in which case, all of these obstructions would be pointless. I've been told by political aides that we are permitted to pay another member state to veto an extension on our behalf.

Or, as parliament is now not able to function, it is likely that leave lawyers are hunting through the history books to find a case that can be used as a precedent to trigger a general election.

 

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