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 Badger11  Beckenham 29 Sep 19 9.24am |
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Just back from holiday so I haven't read this thread for a while. This week is crunch time, I am delighted that the opposition is finally tabling a motion of no confidence but that isn't the important vote. It's possible that the Tories will even abstain during it. Assuming Boris loses it is the vote of confidence in a Corbyn led government that is critical. If Corbyn can form a government then Brexit will be denied but to do that he will need the Lib Dems and the rebel Tories. If I were the Lib Dems I would sit this one out. They are now riding high in the polls with their clear remain position whilst Labour have an okey cokey policy. The Tories want a GE but it could also suit the Lib Dems to strike now whilst they have the momentum. Corbyn doesn't want a GE which is why the other parties should go for it. Still all to play for.
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| Midlands Eagle 29 Sep 19 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
If Corbyn can form a government then Brexit will be denied but to do that he will need the Lib Dems and the rebel Tories.
Surely the renegade Tories would never vote for anything that would enable Corbyn to become Prime Minister as the thought of that is too horrific to even contemplate
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 12.08pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
For those who fully supported the decision of the Supreme Court, be careful what you wish for. Those who fail to fully support the decision of OUR Supreme Court, need to be careful that they follow the law, which applies to all. Even Prime Ministers. This judgement hasn't "inserted" the Judiciary into politics. The law applies to political actions just as much it does to every other aspect of life. All that has happened is for an attempt to sideline Parliament for a while to be declared unlawful. The law was always there. It was the attempt that was new so had never before needed to be brought before a Court and for the Court to make their judgement. For the government, and Johnson, to say they "disagree" with it, and suggest that other law officers do too, is disingenuous. The High Court did not disagree. They referred it to the Supreme Court to decide IF it was "justiciable" as it needed the highest court to decide such an important point. They did decide and everything flowed from that. That it will have consequences is obvious. Whether all those consequences are desirable is something for a future Parliament to consider and legislate on, if they believe that to be necessary. So it isn't the "opposition" dragging the law into politics at all. It is the government who is doing that. The government broke the law and is now trying to politicise the judiciary by seeking to criticise their judgement. This is another example of a disgraceful strategy being fostered in the backrooms by "advisors" determined to interfere in the smooth progress of Parliamentary democracy. This truly is where we need to be careful about what is wished for! I hope that the Tory party wake up soon and see what is being done to them before it is too late. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Sep 2019 12.11pm)
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| daven Hailsham 29 Sep 19 12.10pm |
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Boris on television this morning, clearly not interested in answering questions.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Sep 19 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Surely the renegade Tories would never vote for anything that would enable Corbyn to become Prime Minister as the thought of that is too horrific to even contemplate You would hope so. At this stage I would not put anything pass some of the MPs.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 12.23pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Surely the renegade Tories would never vote for anything that would enable Corbyn to become Prime Minister as the thought of that is too horrific to even contemplate Sometimes people accept the need to swallow the most bitter of pills if the alternative is even worse. A short dose of Corbyn, with his arms tied behind his back, or an out of control Johnson determined to sideline Parliament and plunge the UK into something they cannot accept? I don't think it will happen though because I think it's exactly what Johnson wants. Him baying for an election last week was part of the same strategy. He could then shift the blame squarely onto Parliament for having to extend on Oct 31 and then try to win the next election. I think they will force him to come back without a deal before they force him out of office, whilst keeping an eye on the timing of his next prorogation.
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| silvertop Portishead 29 Sep 19 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think the opinion polls are evidence against your contention on extremes. However, the election....when it comes will sort out where we are for real. Labour is suffering internal self destruction through schism between the harder traditional left of the north and Midlands who are overwhelmingly leave and the more centrist south who are largely remain. As such what have opinion polls got to do with it?
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| Matov 29 Sep 19 12.51pm |
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I was struck by something last night as I was driving. There was another advert warning people to be ready for Brexit on October 31st. I have seen the signs on the motorway, heard them, read the adverts and would assume that the vast majority of the nation has done so as well. And I also am convinced that there is a collective desire just to have Brexit done and dusted. Everybody is sick to death of it and quite rightly so. It will take a brave person to be the one who can take the blame for delaying it even more. And then proclaim the wisdom of asking people to embark on another referendum because, well you know that is just what we all REALLY want. LOL. f***. It is brilliant in someways. Absolutely beautiful. We have a nation of people being constantly told that we are leaving on October 31st and some smug w***er is going to come along and try to justify why they have felt it right to depose the Prime Minister who has made no bones about how we intends to bring this all to an end so we can carry on with this s*** for months to come. Labour are f***ed on the back of this. What extra votes are there to be gained from delaying Brexit now?
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| Stirlingsays 29 Sep 19 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Labour is suffering internal self destruction through schism between the harder traditional left of the north and Midlands who are overwhelmingly leave and the more centrist south who are largely remain. As such what have opinion polls got to do with it? You wrote, 'Leave occupies the extremes of both right and left.' I'm just stating that the 'leave' position....which is roughly about half the respondents to opinion polls is evidence that it can't be on the 'extreme' if it's a mainstream position.
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| Matov 29 Sep 19 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
1 and then try to win the next election. I think they will force him to come back without a deal before they force him out of office, whilst keeping an eye on the timing of his next prorogation. Until a few days ago I would have agreed with you but I am increasingly convinced that they now believe he has a way of ignoring them. Johnson has nothing to lose. If he goes to Brussels and asks for an extentsion he is toast. He knows that. This is a man who has burnt all his boats and destroyed all his bridges. And no doubt knows all the classical comparisons, in the original Greek or Latin, which are churning away in that crust of his. He has NOTHING to lose. Absolutely nothing. I suspect would even go to jail rather than comply because then he becomes a Martyr. A politician whose legacy will be that he was willing to even lose his liberty if it meant trying to deliver Brexit. That is why the narrative has changed so much over the last couple of days. Johnson is not going to blink. He cannot. That is the point.
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| Midlands Eagle 29 Sep 19 1.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
A short dose of Corbyn, with his arms tied behind his back, or an out of control Johnson determined to sideline Parliament and plunge the UK into something they cannot accept? You remainers just love using emotive language don't you "An out of control Johnson" indeed
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| chris123 hove actually 29 Sep 19 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Probably have another JD whilst composing his next responses to Maple, Wissie et al..... Waiting for a lead from Rachel Johnson.
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