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W12 02 Oct 19 10.02pm

The idea that Boris wants a no deal is total bollocks.

I hope he does but I just don’t trust him or his party.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 02 Oct 19 10.38pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by W12

The idea that Boris wants a no deal is total bollocks.

I hope he does but I just don’t trust him or his party.

Agree. Willing, just, to give him the benefit of the doubt but he needs to deliver.


 


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Originally posted by Matov


To be fair, right at the start of the process when David Davis was the Brexit secretary he did start out from a position of wanting to make the effort to include all the main political parties. It was May who scuppered that so perhaps it might remain one of the 'what ifs' when this entire sorry affair is done and dusted.

Had some time to process Johnsons 'deal'. If he has the DUP onboard then it stands a chance of passing, if the EU are willing to swallow it.

Personally I want no-deal so am keeping my fingers crossed but from what I have been reading, it seems that many Remain types appear a tad worried it might actually work. Lets see.

Lot of noise from the usual suspects about how it is unacceptable BUT that is to be expected. Interesting to see how it pans out over the next 48 hours.

I haven't heard any "types" appearing worried it might work! Most seem confused by it's complexity, are still struggling to get their head around it and listening to the professional reactions for guidance.

I want it to work and be acceptable to all the interested parties but whose genuine objections also need to be respected. Let's now see what the EU say. If they can accept it then I sincerely hope that no-one in Parliament starts to play politics with it and would vote it through.

I remain sceptical. I don't trust Johnson an inch to not actually be playing political games himself, but I am quite prepared to see this work.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I haven't heard any "types" appearing worried it might work! Most seem confused by it's complexity, are still struggling to get their head around it and listening to the professional reactions for guidance.

I want it to work and be acceptable to all the interested parties but whose genuine objections also need to be respected. Let's now see what the EU say. If they can accept it then I sincerely hope that no-one in Parliament starts to play politics with it and would vote it through.

I remain sceptical. I don't trust Johnson an inch to not actually be playing political games himself, but I am quite prepared to see this work.

Why not?

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


You said Cameron's promise was undeliverable and now you say the reverse.
The EU have reservations because they want to protect their interests as do the Irish and Scots.

Parliament should not have voted for a referendum if it was then going to fret about the process and the consequences of leaving. Many obviously bet on a Remain win and lost.

The current members of Parliament must accept the decision in 2016 and see it through whether they like it or not.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Oct 2019 9.29pm)

What I commented on was the idea that guarantees can ever be given by a PM when they need to work through Parliament. Of course a promise CAN be delivered but it cannot be guaranteed.

I agree that Parliament should not have agreed to hold a referendum and trust that lesson has been learned for ever. The then government didn't expect to lose and did not anticipate all the difficulties that have followed with hindsight.

The current members of Parliament must do what their consciences tell them is now in our best interests. Not what they thought they were in 2016.

Do you seriously expect anyone, in any situation, not to adjust their position if their knowledge tells them it is needed?

Would you continue to play Benteke just because he scored goals in 2016?


Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Oct 2019 11.21pm)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What I commented on was the idea that guarantees can every be given by a PM when they need to work through Parliament. Of course a promise CAN be delivered but it cannot be guaranteed.

I agree that Parliament should not have agreed to hold a referendum and trust that lesson has been learned for ever. The then government didn't expect to lose and did not anticipate all the difficulties that have followed with hindsight.

The current members of Parliament must do what their consciences tell them is now in our best interests. Not what they thought they were in 2016.

Do you seriously expect anyone, in any situation, not to adjust their position if their knowledge tells them it is needed?

Would you continue to play Benteke just because he scored goals in 2016?

As Benteke has appeared in 6 of 7 league games so far the answer would appear to be yes.

 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Why not?

If you really need to ask that then you aren't going to believe me.

Unlawful prorogation. Sidelining Parliament. Playing politics with our future. Allowing personal ambition to replace the national interest. Trumpian tactics.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you really need to ask that then you aren't going to believe me.

Unlawful prorogation. Sidelining Parliament. Playing politics with our future. Allowing personal ambition to replace the national interest. Trumpian tactics.

What is his personal ambition?

 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What is his personal ambition?

It seems he wanted to become PM at pretty much any cost.

He only signed up to the "leave" idea because he thought it would advance his own career. He is not a conviction politician. He is an opportunist.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It seems he wanted to become PM at pretty much any cost.

He only signed up to the "leave" idea because he thought it would advance his own career. He is not a conviction politician. He is an opportunist.

That doesn’t seem an unreasonable ambition for a politician. Have conviction politicians got the country’s best interests at heart or are they more concerned with their own agendas?

 

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Remoaners have been out thought and out flanked.

Let's get on with important things like shouting about Swinson's family income from EU

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That doesn’t seem an unreasonable ambition for a politician. Have conviction politicians got the country’s best interests at heart or are they more concerned with their own agendas?

Don't waste your time arguing with him as most of us have given up and just ignore his ramblings


 

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