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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 03 Oct 19 1.16pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That seems a very odd idea to me. I would much rather people truly believed in what they said, and did things because they think they are right, than only do things that they believe will advance themselves personally.

Does that include the voters in the brexit vote.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 19 1.28pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That might be the case if they were elected as independents but they arenít; theyíre elected as representatives of a political party -supposedly with a common purpose.
Iíd rather have a party leader who wants the job than one whoís unwilling. If the electorate arenít happy then vote differently. That seems to be the general rule.

They are NOT elected as representatives of a political party though. They are elected as OUR representatives. Their party membership is secondary and, as we have all seen, can change. Their primary loyalty has to be to us and their conscience needs to be their steadfast guideline. If we disagree with their performance then we have the opportunity to change them at the next GE.

Whilst some people vote solely on party considerations, which is their right, many don't and often choose whoever stands locally and is the best person to serve their interests. I know I do.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 19 1.29pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Does that include the voters in the brexit vote.

It includes every aspect of life, some of which are more important than others.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 19 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550

I'm more than certain that quite a large proportion of people would differ from this tbh.

Many certainly, but that doesn't mean they are correct does it?

Plenty will have voted knowing what it meant for the country and for themselves, and there will be those that didn't give it much thought as well (on both sides).

I disagree. Almost no-one really knew. They know a little more now but not that much.

There are ALWAYS 2 sides to any debate, issue and as such that's YOUR point of view, which i'm sure people accept on that basis...shame it appears you can't reciprocate.

Understanding that others disagree is easy and I do. I just have an unshakeable belief that they are wrong.

I'd also suggest that the real losers in this sorry situation are the MP's and Parliament who've plumbed some pretty low depths (on both sides) and have been shown to not give a toss (regardless of how they wrap it up) about anyone other than themselves.

Many of the leaders of the parties have been playing politics since day 1, which I find disgraceful when the national interest is at stake. However many of the back benchers have done, and continue to do, some really selfless work, putting themselves and their careers on the line for us and what they believe in. They need all the credit in the world.

 

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 03 Oct 19 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Originally posted by Lyons550
I'm more than certain that quite a large proportion of people would differ from this tbh.

Many certainly, but that doesn't mean they are correct does it? It also doesnt mean they're wrong either. Again, we need to accept others views

Plenty will have voted knowing what it meant for the country and for themselves, and there will be those that didn't give it much thought as well (on both sides).

I disagree. Almost no-one really knew. They know a little more now but not that much. Thats fine, you're allowed to disagree, but i would suggest that there are people that know it will have meant a turbulent time ahead, with the economy contracting and needing to re-shape accordingly. in fact if you bothered to go through the first few months of this thread you'll see people on here suggesting as much which seem to fly in the face of your assertions

There are ALWAYS 2 sides to any debate, issue and as such that's YOUR point of view, which i'm sure people accept on that basis...shame it appears you can't reciprocate.

Understanding that others disagree is easy and I do. I just have an unshakeable belief that they are wrong. Some would consider it denial at all costs. It's ok to be wrong, its ok to have other views. We'll probably find that some of yours turn out to be correct and some of those that want to leave will be as well. its how we move forward that really matters.

I'd also suggest that the real losers in this sorry situation are the MP's and Parliament who've plumbed some pretty low depths (on both sides) and have been shown to not give a toss (regardless of how they wrap it up) about anyone other than themselves.

Many of the leaders of the parties have been playing politics since day 1, which I find disgraceful when the national interest is at stake. However many of the back benchers have done, and continue to do, some really selfless work, putting themselves and their careers on the line for us and what they believe in. They need all the credit in the world.
How are they putting themselves and their careers on the line for us?

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Oct 19 1.59pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They are NOT elected as representatives of a political party though. They are elected as OUR representatives. Their party membership is secondary and, as we have all seen, can change. Their primary loyalty has to be to us and their conscience needs to be their steadfast guideline. If we disagree with their performance then we have the opportunity to change them at the next GE.

Whilst some people vote solely on party considerations, which is their right, many don't and often choose whoever stands locally and is the best person to serve their interests. I know I do.

But the majority of people do vote for whoever is standing for a particular party. This accounts for a large number of no marks and wastes of space in the HoC.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 Oct 19 2.01pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They are NOT elected as representatives of a political party though. They are elected as OUR representatives. Their party membership is secondary and, as we have all seen, can change. Their primary loyalty has to be to us and their conscience needs to be their steadfast guideline. If we disagree with their performance then we have the opportunity to change them at the next GE.

Whilst some people vote solely on party considerations, which is their right, many don't and often choose whoever stands locally and is the best person to serve their interests. I know I do.

Those people are called independents.

 


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View susmik's Profile susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Oct 19 2.42pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The pots and kettles are all merrily dancing and laughing their socks off at that.

Keep them coming.

This is serious stuff but a good belly laugh always is worthwhile.

You would never believe it with some of the repetitive sh1t you put on here time again and again.
The truth being we are all laughing at you if the truth be known!!

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Oct 19 3.35pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by susmik

You would never believe it with some of the repetitive sh1t you put on here time again and again.
The truth being we are all laughing at you if the truth be known!!

Poor WE has faced shot and shell on here on occasions so perhaps he feels as bruised as an old peach.I know the feeling well!

 

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View cpfc_chap's Profile cpfc_chap Flag koh samui 03 Oct 19 3.44pm Send a Private Message to cpfc_chap Add cpfc_chap as a friend

BJ to prorogue parliament again, if this is true this surely will get up the noses of the people blocking brexit!

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 Oct 19 3.47pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think that is a complete misreading of the situation.

The EU reached an agreement with the UK after months of effort and made their position very clear indeed, without any ambiguity. They see the purpose behind the "backstop" as a non negotiable settled issue and have made that crystal clear. However, they have left the door open for us to find ways to achieve the same result through alternative arrangements, if we can find them.

I am no expert on the technicalities but from the various reactions I am hearing it seems unlikely that these ideas will do that. Indeed it seems much more likely that they are just political window dressing, designed to blame shift.

I hope I am wrong and these proposals turn out to be the key which unlocks the solution. I am not holding my breath.

Ultimately I think we will have to choose between one of three options. Leave without a deal. Leave with a "backstop" in place. Remain in the EU.

Maybe Parliament will now replace Johnson, form a short term government of national unity, request the extension and then vote to accept the "May" deal. All before Oct 31st in case the extension is refused and with an election soon afterwards.

Anyone think that's possible?

I donít know if thread title changing has reduced your need to repeat yourself over what might be true, but isnít how itís always been understood and communicated by MPís over a long time, and they know it, but this post gets more of an audience. Trouble is that what Iíve highlighted is exactly the problem with the EU and why many people wonít point the finger at Boris. The EU deserve it and so obviously they will try and trap us inside the EU. (Start getting memories of fools telling us to remain to reform the EU)

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Online Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Oct 19 4.02pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

The EU and 11 judges should just run the country. The point of voting is completely undermined as MPs have no need to consider what their constituents want. Instead, they can just dictate what is best for us. While we're at it, I had better write a letter about what I should have dinner. After all, they know best. They have my back and all of yours too.

 


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