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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Oct 19 7.18pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think you might be surprised at quite how many recent immigrants we have here. Like many other places we have seen a big inflow from eastern Europe in recent years who are working in many segments of the economy, not least agriculture. What we haven't seen is too much from elsewhere, so they don't look obvious. Indeed until you hear them speaking to each other in social situations you often don't know they are immigrants.

I have no expectation that our need for immigration will decrease because of Brexit, only that the sources will likely be different. That's what I mean by being blindsided. That there will be change but quite possible a change that you won't actually like.

Yes wissy.
Those eastern European men are born liars.
Was that the type of Chap you alledgedly caught with your wingmirror.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Oct 19 7.24pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

If there was a new referendum and deal won.
Would all the MPs rejecting it now accept it with no argument?
This is something that labour hasnt stated.

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 23 Oct 19 7.40pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

If there was a new referendum and deal won.
Would all the MPs rejecting it now accept it with no argument?
This is something that labour hasnt stated.

Every single person backing a second referendum has said the results will be respected BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IMPLEMENTABLE, unlike the previous referendum.

The whole point of a second referendum is to not ask "how long is a piece of string" but ask questions which actually have definitive outcomes.

"Leaving the EU" is not a definitive outcome, it is an umbrella concept with a million different variations.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 23 Oct 19 7.47pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

Not at all, I have more reason than most on here to wish for brexit to be cancelled BUT I believe in democracy, leave won the vote and the lying cheating self serving MPs are doing their utmost to stop brexit from happening....just hope that ALL the MPs who changed parties get their just desserts and lose their seat at the GE, people like Soubry, Umuna, Gymnah (sp) Hammond, all of them self serving cheating lying b******s.....I wont be voting anyway, waste of time as they ignore the peoples vote, whats to stop them doing it again.....2nd referendum? No whats the point, if they lose they'll just call for a 3rd 4th 5th until they get their way.....by the way, nice sly insult at the start of your post !!

PS they are reactalights !!

No, no, no, and no some more.

The first referendum cannot be implemented, because the country was split basically 50/50 and "leave the EU" is a very broad concept with many, many different ways of being achieved.

Country split down the middle = parliament split down the middle. 3 years later and here we are, what a surprise.

The point of a 2nd vote, is to not ask a binary, childlike simplistic, undeliverable, massively broad, umbrella, 10000 ft view question, it is to ask for specific responses to specific ways of leaving the EU. For example with the latest deal, or with no deal.

Now that the details of the latest deal are known.....Now that the details of what "no deal" really means are known........Now that 350 million pound buses are known to be false....Now that lies by the remain campaign are known to be false.......Now is a good time to ask more specific questions which lead to deliverable outcomes.

If you respected the will of the people in 2016, how about seeing if the will of the people has changed, based on new information/debunking of a litany of mistruths (on both sides).

The will of the people counts in 2019 just like it did in 2016.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 23 Oct 19 7.53pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think you might be surprised at quite how many recent immigrants we have here. Like many other places we have seen a big inflow from eastern Europe in recent years who are working in many segments of the economy, not least agriculture. What we haven't seen is too much from elsewhere, so they don't look obvious. Indeed until you hear them speaking to each other in social situations you often don't know they are immigrants.

I have no expectation that our need for immigration will decrease because of Brexit, only that the sources will likely be different. That's what I mean by being blindsided. That there will be change but quite possible a change that you won't actually like.

Bit racist isn't it?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Oct 19 8.00pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Every single person backing a second referendum has said the results will be respected BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IMPLEMENTABLE, unlike the previous referendum.

The whole point of a second referendum is to not ask "how long is a piece of string" but ask questions which actually have definitive outcomes.

"Leaving the EU" is not a definitive outcome, it is an umbrella concept with a million different variations.

Fine so a deal or no deal referendum then? Sounds fun.

Remaining can't be an option though because we have done that one already and by your logic, it is not a definitive outcome either.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Oct 2019 8.02pm)

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 23 Oct 19 8.18pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

No, no, no, and no some more.

The first referendum cannot be implemented, because the country was split basically 50/50 and "leave the EU" is a very broad concept with many, many different ways of being achieved.

Country split down the middle = parliament split down the middle. 3 years later and here we are, what a surprise.

The point of a 2nd vote, is to not ask a binary, childlike simplistic, undeliverable, massively broad, umbrella, 10000 ft view question, it is to ask for specific responses to specific ways of leaving the EU. For example with the latest deal, or with no deal.

Now that the details of the latest deal are known.....Now that the details of what "no deal" really means are known........Now that 350 million pound buses are known to be false....Now that lies by the remain campaign are known to be false.......Now is a good time to ask more specific questions which lead to deliverable outcomes.

If you respected the will of the people in 2016, how about seeing if the will of the people has changed, based on new information/debunking of a litany of mistruths (on both sides).

The will of the people counts in 2019 just like it did in 2016.

So there were NO lies from the remain side then? Osborne didnt say there would be immediate recession (he talked about an emergency budget) and he didnt say there would be 500000 jobs lost immediately? Of course he didnt!!
So just assume for a second that a new referendum ends up voting Leave.....then what?? Another one...ad infinitum till we get a remain vote?? Everyone is so sure that the result will be remain, just what happens if it doesnt?? Believe me I have more to lose from leave than most on here but the vote was leave, Cameron said 'you the people will decide, not the MPs but your vote will be honoured..if you vote leave we will leave.....except we wont!!

PS The vote was 48/52 close but still not 50/50....when we lose to Liverpool 1-0 will you say well it was close so well call it a draw??

Edited by the silurian (23 Oct 2019 8.26pm)

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 23 Oct 19 8.23pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Every single person backing a second referendum has said the results will be respected BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IMPLEMENTABLE, unlike the previous referendum.
The whole point of a second referendum is to not ask "how long is a piece of string" but ask questions which actually have definitive outcomes.

"Leaving the EU" is not a definitive outcome, it is an umbrella concept with a million different variations.

AS LONG AS REMAIN WINS!!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Oct 19 9.04pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Every single person backing a second referendum has said the results will be respected BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IMPLEMENTABLE, unlike the previous referendum.

The whole point of a second referendum is to not ask "how long is a piece of string" but ask questions which actually have definitive outcomes.

"Leaving the EU" is not a definitive outcome, it is an umbrella concept with a million different variations.

deal no deal or remain you add the leave votes together I guess.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 23 Oct 19 9.28pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

deal no deal or remain you add the leave votes together I guess.

You can't have no deal. Parliament wont have it. More importantly it would be unfair to split leave vote

 

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Originally posted by silvertop

You can't have no deal. Parliament wont have it. More importantly it would be unfair to split leave vote

You can in the next Parliament.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 23 Oct 19 9.48pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

How about another alternative? We remain in Europe but we take back full control of our borders and our courts and don’t give the European Union £350m a week. Sounds fair to me, I’d vote for that. After all, what do we really get out of our membership other than a relatively straightforward passage through passport control when we go on holiday. What are we actually paying for and how does it benefit us and why do we contribute such an enormous amount compared to other countries?

This is obviously said tongue in cheek however I’ve never grasped how a country such as ours which no longer produces that many goods for export and is a massive net importer benefits from paying a huge membership fee that effectively offers little more than free trade with people who want to sell us loads of stuff. Now if we were still the bastion of the car industry and looking to offload our cars across Europe I could understand it. But we are not. A simplistic viewpoint I’ll grant you, but in the absence of a full economic explanation it works for me!

 

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