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 Badger11  Beckenham 27 Dec 19 8.04am |
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What next post Brexit. Hopefully by the end of January we can lock this thread but constitutionally what will a post Brexit politics look like over the next few years. My hope is that Boris embarks on a series of changes to bring Parliament into the 21st century. We need: Repeal the fixed term Parliament act it hasn't worked. Extension of the recall vote to include MPs who leave a party e.g. switch from Labour to Tory. Let the public decide via a by election. Modernise the voting system so MPs can vote from home. Abolish the House of Lords and replace with a Senate based on region and PR. At the very least limit the number of peers in the house e.g. 350 and not 800. Scrap the Human Rights act and replace with a UK bill of rights and responsibilities. That should keep Parliament busy for the next few years. Edited by Badger11 (27 Dec 2019 8.07am)
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| Stirlingsays 27 Dec 19 8.44am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
What next post Brexit. Hopefully by the end of January we can lock this thread but constitutionally what will a post Brexit politics look like over the next few years. My hope is that Boris embarks on a series of changes to bring Parliament into the 21st century. We need: Repeal the fixed term Parliament act it hasn't worked. Extension of the recall vote to include MPs who leave a party e.g. switch from Labour to Tory. Let the public decide via a by election. Excellent. With safeguards...excellent. Originally posted by Badger11
Abolish the House of Lords and replace with a Senate based on region and PR. At the very least limit the number of peers in the house e.g. 350 and not 800. I haven't thought about it enough but the implication that we limit the numbers....what is clearly a political favours and status circle jerk is very much agreed with. Originally posted by Badger11
Scrap the Human Rights act and replace with a UK bill of rights and responsibilities. Excellent times ten. Originally posted by Badger11
That should keep Parliament busy for the next few years. Edited by Badger11 (27 Dec 2019 8.07am) I can imagine the internationalists screeching now......especially with that last one.
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Teddy Eagle  27 Dec 19 8.47am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
What next post Brexit. Hopefully by the end of January we can lock this thread but constitutionally what will a post Brexit politics look like over the next few years. My hope is that Boris embarks on a series of changes to bring Parliament into the 21st century. We need: Repeal the fixed term Parliament act it hasn't worked. Extension of the recall vote to include MPs who leave a party e.g. switch from Labour to Tory. Let the public decide via a by election. Modernise the voting system so MPs can vote from home. Abolish the House of Lords and replace with a Senate based on region and PR. At the very least limit the number of peers in the house e.g. 350 and not 800. Scrap the Human Rights act and replace with a UK bill of rights and responsibilities. That should keep Parliament busy for the next few years. Edited by Badger11 (27 Dec 2019 8.07am) I sense a disturbance in the Force in Truro. Brace yourself for a broadside.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 Dec 19 8.53am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I sense a disturbance in the Force in Truro. Brace yourself for a broadside. LOL I think that's the Brussels Sprouts or should I now call them Yorkshire sprouts.
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| Teddy Eagle 27 Dec 19 9.02am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
LOL I think that's the Brussels Sprouts or should I now call them Yorkshire sprouts. They’re always causing trouble. When the above happened there were reports of people carting off carrier bags full of them. Which they then tried to sell.
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| Midlands Eagle 27 Dec 19 9.25am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Modernise the voting system so MPs can vote from home. Not sure that I agree with that as MPs should be attending the House to hear the arguments. I did get rather cross a couple of months ago when the MPs were moaning that there wasn't sufficient time to debate the Queen's Speech yet when I looked it on the Parliament Channel there were only a dozen MPs who bothered to listen and join in the debate We already have the pairing system for MPs that need to be elsewhere
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 Dec 19 9.40am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Not sure that I agree with that as MPs should be attending the House to hear the arguments. I did get rather cross a couple of months ago when the MPs were moaning that there wasn't sufficient time to debate the Queen's Speech yet when I looked it on the Parliament Channel there were only a dozen MPs who bothered to listen and join in the debate We already have the pairing system for MPs that need to be elsewhere It was a bullet point I should have expanded it. I agree normally they should be in the house I mean in cases where they were ill or on maternity leave. This could be managed by the MP asking permission from the Speakers office we shouldn't have ambulances turning up at Parliament just so a sick MP can vote. They should also look at the working hours why do they start mid morning or even afternoon. They should also introduce video technology in the commons to the MPS constituency office so that MPs can hold surgeries back home. In short a bit of common-sense and technology. Edited by Badger11 (27 Dec 2019 9.40am)
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| Stirlingsays 27 Dec 19 10.42am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Not sure that I agree with that as MPs should be attending the House to hear the arguments. I did get rather cross a couple of months ago when the MPs were moaning that there wasn't sufficient time to debate the Queen's Speech yet when I looked it on the Parliament Channel there were only a dozen MPs who bothered to listen and join in the debate We already have the pairing system for MPs that need to be elsewhere Video conferencing made that unnecessary ten years ago. There is a lot of money spent on the political class that isn't strictly required. They are going to streamline the train drivers and truckers out of jobs.....We don't need to pay for a lot of the expenses of Westminister bound politicians.....second homes and all the rest of it.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 Dec 19 10.52am |
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So Eurocrat Frans Timmermans has written us a love letter that if we change our mind and come crawling back all will be forgiven. They still don't get it, if they want us back then start making concrete proposals to address the issues that made people vote leave in the first place. I doubt I would change my mind but I'm sure there are a lot of middle of the road voters who would switch if the EU made concessions. Until then roll on 31 Jan.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 27 Dec 19 11.09am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
So Eurocrat Frans Timmermans has written us a love letter that if we change our mind and come crawling back all will be forgiven. They still don't get it, if they want us back then start making concrete proposals to address the issues that made people vote leave in the first place. I doubt I would change my mind but I'm sure there are a lot of middle of the road voters who would switch if the EU made concessions. Until then roll on 31 Jan. I personally believe the Eurocrats are more concerned that Brexit will be the tipping point for the whole of the EU and this is why the olive branch is being dangled. Spain, France could both leave which would just about finish it as I’m sure that Germany are not prepared to fund the entire EU.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 Dec 19 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I personally believe the Eurocrats are more concerned that Brexit will be the tipping point for the whole of the EU and this is why the olive branch is being dangled. Spain, France could both leave which would just about finish it as I’m sure that Germany are not prepared to fund the entire EU. I think you're right about funding the 6/7 new countries going through the accession process will all be takers rather than givers so that just adds to their problems. However it wasn't much of an olive branch if I was Merkel I would be telling the negotiators to try and get their hands on our money. Now if we got a good deal out of it within reason I would be okay paying for access it depends what we got for our money.
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| silvertop Portishead 27 Dec 19 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
What next post Brexit. Hopefully by the end of January we can lock this thread but constitutionally what will a post Brexit politics look like over the next few years. My hope is that Boris embarks on a series of changes to bring Parliament into the 21st century. We need: Repeal the fixed term Parliament act it hasn't worked. Extension of the recall vote to include MPs who leave a party e.g. switch from Labour to Tory. Let the public decide via a by election. Modernise the voting system so MPs can vote from home. Abolish the House of Lords and replace with a Senate based on region and PR. At the very least limit the number of peers in the house e.g. 350 and not 800. Scrap the Human Rights act and replace with a UK bill of rights and responsibilities. That should keep Parliament busy for the next few years. Edited by Badger11 (27 Dec 2019 8.07am) Congratulations on winning the general ignorance round on the supreme court. They only make law to fill lacuna left by the legislature or interpret law to clarify poorly drafted legislation. Otherwise primary legislation is paramount and the supreme court cannot rule against it. And if the government doesn't like a supreme court decision they bring in legislation after the house has properly debated and voted on it. This is one major concern I have about the current government. With it's big majority it will seek to "reform " the supreme court not because it needs it but through pure vindictiveness given it arrived at a high profile decision the user its schemes. Checks and balances are there for a healthy democracy.
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