And me I have a Chinese phone so yes I am a hypocrite.

What we need now are UK entrepreneurs to provide us with an alternative I would be willing to pay a little more to buy British or European.

One more point

in your strange mind it may make sense!

EU talks over yirus package stall basically its a north south divide with the North expected to fund the poorer countries only they don't seem to keen on it.

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Meanwhile the EU chief scientist has resigned he's fed up up with the EU (welcome to the party).

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With all the in fighting going on I was half expecting the French and the Irish to blame us they probably haven't got round to it yet.

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One more point

Huge pressures and in many ways, the cause of its own problems. For decades its proponents presented it as the solution to all Europes woes in a kind of soft focus huggy kind of fashion and when the s*** does hit the fan in a serious way, it is revealed as being nothing more than a talking shop that spews out legislation for the sake of it.

And the single currency? It makes zero sense now for Italy, Greece and even Spain to remain in it. To a lesser extent Ireland as well.

The first three are so reliant on tourism that the impact of this is going to be huge. And they have no fiscal control over how they deal with that.

Ireland will need to make a choice soon between continuing to be a tax-haven that is a thorn in the side for a lot of European countrys or whether it actually wants to truly be a European nation with all that entails.

Salvini is waiting in the wings in Italy and Le Pen in France. Both have a chance of assuming leadership in the next 2 years or running the establishment so close that they cause chaos anyway.

The East European nations are refusing to play ball over the migrant crisis and with us sailing away as well, and taking our financial ball with us, the EU is in dire trouble.

Can it survive in its current form? It will try but I suspect that its own inflexibility with be its downfall.

A rocky decade ahead me thinks. We are better off out of it but we will still have to bear the brunt of the bow waves as it crashes head-long into the storm.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

There was a dress rehearsal for what's coming down the tracks, quite quickly, in 2011. The EU survived then, but the writing was on the wall. The UK heeded the warning (admittedly with most people probably not fully understanding why) in 2016. Others will most likely begin to follow from the 2021 elections onwards.

The fall out will be pretty severe globally (markets wise). It usually takes a while, but harsh reality usually wins over idealism in the end.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

The warning signs were as early as the early 90's and the implosion of Yugoslavia. This was the EEC's first big foreign policy test and it imploded. Germany, in its first big foreign policy decision after reunification, acted on its own in recognizing Croatian independence (I believe it was second only to the Vatican in doing so) against what had been supposedly agreed European policy and essentially used that position to trade off with the UK over some aspect of finance that they had been at logger-heads over.

And it was the US who had to intervene in the end, dragging Nato with it, to act decisively. Europe did nothing other than stand by with its arms embargo whilst hundreds of thousands of people were massacred.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.