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 davenotamonkey  21 Jul 20 7.08pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How utterly contemptible. God help this country if it is ever run by men like you.
Didn't they all run away? Why didn't Grieve and co. stick around to fight the General Election?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jul 20 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
It is but the details about this 'tax' seem a little vague (and would love to be put right on this if you have any links), with rather odd claims about a potential plastics tax or similar. My admittedly biased view is that this is just a smoke screen/bulls*** EU stunt to cover up what will effectively be another bail out of banks BUT I also am happy to be educated on that matter because if it is truly an EU legislated and controlled form of taxation over the 27 states then it is of genuine significance. It's a rumour but the EU hierarchy are keen on it not sure that the individual states are but maybe this was the price of the bailout.
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| Matov 21 Jul 20 7.54pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It's a rumour but the EU hierarchy are keen on it not sure that the individual states are but maybe this was the price of the bailout. The EU are desperate to get some kind of tax raising/collection powers so no surprise on that but Germany, Holland and the Scandis being willing to hand over such matters,even on a limited scale? Not so sure. How would it work in terms of nations that have retained their own currency? Fixed as a percentage or an amount? But I am all ears on this because it is definitely being touted around.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jul 20 8.06pm |
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If you only need the odd 500 billion euros or so, and not 750 billions, you are one of the 'frugals'.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jul 20 8.26pm |
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As part of its initial budget proposal in 2018, the European Commission proposed a levy on non-recycled plastic, with the proceeds going directly into the common budget rather than to governments that collect them. The surcharge is estimated to raise €42bn over the course of the budget which will run until 2027. This is to plug the 'brexit gap' and I think this is actually happening in 2021, if a tax can be popular this is one. The Thames is in a sorry state of plastics pollution.
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| Matov 21 Jul 20 8.28pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
If you only need the odd 500 billion euros or so, and not 750 billions, you are one of the 'frugals'.
The numbers being touted are utterly insane. And on a macro level, the only way out of it all is inflation. Impossible to pay it all back. And high inflation against the current political chaos does not bode well. No matter what your political inclination, nobody should be looking at these numbers and not have serious concerns about the way of this hole.
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| Spiderman Horsham 21 Jul 20 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What a surprise! Having spent weeks away from here I come back to see what the Brexiteers are saying about the most damning report I can ever remember on Government incompetence and what do I find? Almost nothing. As pointed out at the time this Government deliberately held back publishing this report as it feared it's impact on the 2019 election result. Now it allows it's publication shortly before the summer recess in the hope it will be in the long grass again by the Autumn. My argument for years has been that Russian interference in such a close referendum result in 2016 could well have been sufficient to tip the balance. Now we know that the reason the Government hasn't seen any interference is not that there wasn't any. It was because they weren't looking. Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government. Whether public opinion on this will be strong enough to ensure action is an open question. Brexit weariness is a reality. Not though with me. This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative. So do you think the report on grooming gangs should be published in full?
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| Matov 21 Jul 20 9.21pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
As part of its initial budget proposal in 2018, the European Commission proposed a levy on non-recycled plastic, with the proceeds going directly into the common budget rather than to governments that collect them. The surcharge is estimated to raise €42bn over the course of the budget which will run until 2027. This is to plug the 'brexit gap' and I think this is actually happening in 2021, if a tax can be popular this is one. The Thames is in a sorry state of plastics pollution.
Few taxes as 'popular', and I would guess this is a pretty regressive tax given that the use of unrecylable plastic is probably (and I accept that this is a stab in the dark) features more in low end products. But if it this proposal firms up then a big step for the EU. But are nation states really willing to give up this sum of money? I guess time will see.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jul 20 9.56pm |
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Well there's another non surprise! The responses to my post are precisely as I anticipated. I could have written them myself! It just demonstrates the complete lack of understanding and integrity in the group of hardline "Brexit at all costs" who hang around here. Yes, we have left, so it cannot be "cancelled" but with the 2016 referendum result now demonstrably compromised any responsible government would ensure that it be reversed. The fact is that Mrs May had been given a report by GCHQ which suggested that the referendum result could not be trusted and recommended re-running it. She bottled it and decided the political consequences were too high. Look at where that has ended up? A government led by Johnson, controlled by Cummings, and headed towards a no deal final exit. You may think the ship has sailed but it's not over the horizon and it's back in the sights. With the opposition now led by a sensible politician who gives the appearance of trustworthiness a few years in the wilderness means nothing. I am telling you! We will be back and today marks the day when the turning point was reached.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jul 20 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well there's another non surprise! The responses to my post are precisely as I anticipated. I could have written them myself! It just demonstrates the complete lack of understanding and integrity in the group of hardline "Brexit at all costs" who hang around here. Yes, we have left, so it cannot be "cancelled" but with the 2016 referendum result now demonstrably compromised any responsible government would ensure that it be reversed. The fact is that Mrs May had been given a report by GCHQ which suggested that the referendum result could not be trusted and recommended re-running it. She bottled it and decided the political consequences were too high. Look at where that has ended up? A government led by Johnson, controlled by Cummings, and headed towards a no deal final exit. You may think the ship has sailed but it's not over the horizon and it's back in the sights. With the opposition now led by a sensible politician who gives the appearance of trustworthiness a few years in the wilderness means nothing. I am telling you! We will be back and today marks the day when the turning point was reached. Starmer is opposed to extending the transition period. Events could very well make us want to re-join but it would be a tortuous process and in my view not good for europe.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jul 20 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Starmer is opposed to extending the transition period. Events could very well make us want to re-join but it would be a tortuous process and in my view not good for europe.
I almost feel sorry for people who just can't accept Brexit. They need to take a good look at themselves and ask if it really says more about their mental state than anything to do with leaving the EU.
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| Spiderman Horsham 21 Jul 20 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well there's another non surprise! The responses to my post are precisely as I anticipated. I could have written them myself! It just demonstrates the complete lack of understanding and integrity in the group of hardline "Brexit at all costs" who hang around here. Yes, we have left, so it cannot be "cancelled" but with the 2016 referendum result now demonstrably compromised any responsible government would ensure that it be reversed. The fact is that Mrs May had been given a report by GCHQ which suggested that the referendum result could not be trusted and recommended re-running it. She bottled it and decided the political consequences were too high. Look at where that has ended up? A government led by Johnson, controlled by Cummings, and headed towards a no deal final exit. You may think the ship has sailed but it's not over the horizon and it's back in the sights. With the opposition now led by a sensible politician who gives the appearance of trustworthiness a few years in the wilderness means nothing. I am telling you! We will be back and today marks the day when the turning point was reached. Haha how deluded you really are. I nearly feel sorry for you but not quite. Probably best that you move from under the bridge to on top of it with a “keep out of Cornwall” banner
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