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 ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Dec 20 11.11am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He spent his early adult life working for British intelligence against the IRA and continued into the British union of fascists. His conversion to working against Britain wasn't until the war. This is why he was hung as a traitor to the British state, he used the same defence of claiming he wasn't British as you did here.....pathetic. To cut a long story short, he ended up 'hating' the patriots who fought for this country. They 'hated' him in turn. When I compare him to someone like you it's purely upon that last paragraph. My spirit is in social conservatism and with Powell. Yours is...no doubt, an embarrassment to your ancestry. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Dec 2020 9.11am) On a total aside, he's buried opposite where I work. When I go back, when? I'll post a photo of the headstone for the Historically minded.
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Stirlingsays  31 Dec 20 11.30am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
On a total aside, he's buried opposite where I work. When I go back, when? I'll post a photo of the headstone for the Historically minded. Cheers my man.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 31 Dec 20 11.35am |
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The next step for brexit will be the UK trying to repair the damage. Namely it's omission of financial services, one area where it did actually have an advantage. But it is politics and common sense have no place.
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 Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Dec 20 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He spent his early adult life working for British intelligence against the IRA and continued into the British union of fascists. His conversion to working against Britain wasn't until the war. This is why he was hung as a traitor to the British state, he used the same defence of claiming he wasn't British as you did here.....pathetic. To cut a long story short, he ended up 'hating' the patriots who fought for this country. They 'hated' him in turn. When I compare him to someone like you it's purely upon that last paragraph. My spirit is in social conservatism and with Powell. Yours is...no doubt, an embarrassment to your ancestry. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Dec 2020 9.11am) Whether there was ever a legal basis for trying Joyce in the UK is now rather a moot point. He ended up a casualty of history by being on the losing side. The fact remains that his political views were very much more akin to those held by Trump and the right in the USA and indeed of Powell and those who admire him here. Whilst Powell himself wasn't a fascist his "Rivers of Blood" speech was the precursor to the rise of neo-fascist movements like the National Front and all its subsequent iterations. Powell therefore has a lot to answer for. Those who fought for us in WW2 were indeed patriots. They included my father. They were politically diverse as post-war events comprehensively demonstrated. My father supported that first Labour government. He and I talked extensively towards the end of his life about many things, including family and politics. He was extremely proud of me, both my achievements and my political views and grateful for the love and care I gave to him. Not a whiff of any embarrassment there. He had witnessed war at it's rawest and knew what needed to be done to avoid it happening again. He supported the EEC as it was then. Some who haven't witnessed anything just pontificate. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. The self-righteous suggestions that some on the right make that only they are patriots is as insulting as it is wrong.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 31 Dec 20 11.51am |
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I think there is one name missing from this list of die heard Remainers.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 31 Dec 20 11.52am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think there is one name missing from this list of die heard Remainers. You will still be here in 10 years time B, still leaving and remaining.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Dec 20 11.56am |
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Originally posted by Matov
A valid point. But 1939 happened. As did 1914. And before that 1871. The Death Camps were real. The election of Hitler was real. Of course we should not get bogged down in history but let us not forget it either. Germany remains the most powerful economic force in Europe. It controls the currency, and therefore the economic well-being, of hundreds of millions of others and it does not always act in the best interest of those people. I genuinely question the wisdom of centring so much power in the hands of a nation that has done more to destabilise the rest of Europe than any other over the course of the last 150 years and has slaughtered millions just for the accident of birth. I am sure the Germans of 1914 and 1939 were as cultured and polite around a dinner table as anybody else. Probably more so in many ways. I don't consider myself as 'anti' German and have always enjoyed my visits there along with numbering a few of them amongst my friends. But collectively, I am wary. Always willing to put my hands up. History, geography and to a certain extent, linguists, are all reasons for keeping a wary eye on the Germans and Germany. Now people may mock me for the last part and ask how I can have a prejudice against a language but I am convinced that it plays far more of a part in defining how people act collectively. The notion of a 'final solution' has a certain logic only in a language like German. No nuance, just what you see is what you get. The Germany of today is far, far removed from the Germany of the mid 20th century. We were largely responsible for that as we re-organised their industries and education system. I learned a little of why and how this was done when I worked for Bayer for a few years. It is an impressive story. Modern Germans hold admirable values we would all benefit from and we put them there. I think your wariness to be misplaced. Many modern Germans are very aware of the debt they owe us in enabling them to reset and together we would be much stronger. I know the very idea sticks in the craw for some but this really is 2020.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Dec 20 11.56am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whether there was ever a legal basis for trying Joyce in the UK is now rather a moot point. He ended up a casualty of history by being on the losing side. The fact remains that his political views were very much more akin to those held by Trump and the right in the USA and indeed of Powell and those who admire him here. Whilst Powell himself wasn't a fascist his "Rivers of Blood" speech was the precursor to the rise of neo-fascist movements like the National Front and all its subsequent iterations. Powell therefore has a lot to answer for. Those who fought for us in WW2 were indeed patriots. They included my father. They were politically diverse as post-war events comprehensively demonstrated. My father supported that first Labour government. He and I talked extensively towards the end of his life about many things, including family and politics. He was extremely proud of me, both my achievements and my political views and grateful for the love and care I gave to him. Not a whiff of any embarrassment there. He had witnessed war at it's rawest and knew what needed to be done to avoid it happening again. He supported the EEC as it was then. Some who haven't witnessed anything just pontificate. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. The self-righteous suggestions that some on the right make that only they are patriots is as insulting as it is wrong. I would agree that Joyce should have undergone a prison sentence. However, I have little doubt that he would have hung plenty in a post war fascist Britain. Your dim insult to people on the right regarding who they would support in WW2 is entirely predictable. The suggestion disgusts me and you are an idiot in making it. I regard Powell as a hero and his words turned out truthful....you can think of him as you like. If Powell had supported the NF then he would have joined it. I find your recent appreciation of your parents fishy, considering the embarrassing scorn and criticism you gave them in past Hol posts....calling them racists for example. Indeed, how you refer to them now is completely different and I have little doubt it is due to the criticism you received for it. Frankly I don't believe a slimy word you say about anything.....though I tip my hat to your parents who were part of that great generation. It's certainly true that not all patriots were right wing. As it is that left and right were completely different back then.....Mosley, for example was a socialist and in the Labour party and fascists back then did not regard themselves as right wing.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 31 Dec 20 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think there is one name missing from this list of die heard Remainers. I shall be lifting a drink with my mates to celebrate our final departure this evening. Ironic really because I’ll be doing it on a Spanish island, however having said that there are plenty of locals who have had their fill of the EU and who shall probably join me. I’ll be paying, just doing my bit for my European friends now I don’t have to sponsor them.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Dec 20 12.04pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
What, you mean you don’t have a load of poor people from certain sections of the community looting and stabbing and shooting the local populace. You talk about the EU like it’s the saviour of the world and yet you choose to live in one of the most bigoted areas of the country. You argue as to what is English and what is not and yet you couldn’t pick a more single race community to live in if you tried. There's no bigotry here! Well, no more than you would find anywhere else. We have our share of right-wing zeolots just as everywhere. Nor is it "single-race", whatever you might mean by that. There are many folk living here who weren't born here. Me included.
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jeeagles  31 Dec 20 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The Germany of today is far, far removed from the Germany of the mid 20th century. We were largely responsible for that as we re-organised their industries and education system. I learned a little of why and how this was done when I worked for Bayer for a few years. It is an impressive story. Modern Germans hold admirable values we would all benefit from and we put them there. I think your wariness to be misplaced. Many modern Germans are very aware of the debt they owe us in enabling them to reset and together we would be much stronger. I know the very idea sticks in the craw for some but this really is 2020. A nation of very strong values which they are intent on imposing on people across the continent. Thats totally different to any imperialist, communist, or national socialist system..... 2000 years of centralised European control and people in power are still scratching their heads wondering what makes them unpopular. I hate to say it, but I prefer the Chinese system where they set regions targets then its up to them how they achieve it.
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| Spiderman Horsham 31 Dec 20 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I shall be lifting a drink with my mates to celebrate our final departure this evening. Ironic really because I’ll be doing it on a Spanish island, however having said that there are plenty of locals who have had their fill of the EU and who shall probably join me. I’ll be paying, just doing my bit for my European friends now I don’t have to sponsor them. Enjoy, have a good one
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