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 matt_himself  Matataland 25 Jun 16 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Frankly Matt you are the only person giving me any hope in this sorry affair. We simply can't afford to end up outside of the EU. Our irritations around bureaucracy and immigration will be as nothing compared to the economic damage. So I hope this is all a cunning plan by Boris to be Prime Minister and also force the EU to have us back on improved terms. But that all just sounds a bit far fetched. Clear heads need to be applied to this situation. We are the largest single export market for Germany. I don't believe that the German government will allow the EU to slap punitive tariffs on goods and services from the UK, fully in the knowledge that the UK government will do likewise. There will be job losses in Gelsenkirchen and Wolfsburg. I don't believe that the EU will want to alienate the City because it is the largest clearing house for the Euro. I don't believe the EU will want to alienate Brits living in Europe because of the number of its citizens living in the UK. I don't believe that the EU will want to cease close border security and intelligence cooperation. I read that something like 70% of Ireland's GDP is related to the UK. The Irish are going to petition Brussels to do something to ensure heir interests are protected. For all of these reasons, and there are plenty more if you dig into the internecine relationship between EU countries and the U.K., I firmly believe a deal will be hammered out. We, the voters, may not agree with it. Democracy and the result of the referendum needs to be respected. I doubt it will though.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jun 16 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I have had a great deal of adversity in my life, the list would be long and boring. I just have (mostly) chosen not to bring that down upon myself. I do not assume I shall live longer than you, I hope my children will. But my blood pressure is good I am a realist, realistically this was an incredibly foolish move. Maybe we shall recover from it but my opinion is that is more of a hope than a strong likelihood. So now we have to work very hard and also hope. It didn't have to be this way. I understand that you would have chosen to remain based on your personal logic but not everyone shares that logic. You must accept that others, in fact the majority, didn't share your perspective for a variety of reasons.
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| matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Gonna answer my questions/points Michael?
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| Hoof Hearted 25 Jun 16 1.48pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Clear heads need to be applied to this situation. We are the largest single export market for Germany. I don't believe that the German government will allow the EU to slap punitive tariffs on goods and services from the UK, fully in the knowledge that the UK government will do likewise. There will be job losses in Gelsenkirchen and Wolfsburg. I don't believe that the EU will want to alienate the City because it is the largest clearing house for the Euro. I don't believe the EU will want to alienate Brits living in Europe because of the number of its citizens living in the UK. I don't believe that the EU will want to cease close border security and intelligence cooperation. I read that something like 70% of Ireland's GDP is related to the UK. The Irish are going to petition Brussels to do something to ensure heir interests are protected. For all of these reasons, and there are plenty more if you dig into the internecine relationship between EU countries and the U.K., I firmly believe a deal will be hammered out. We, the voters, may not agree with it. Democracy and the result of the referendum needs to be respected. I doubt it will though. The EU thought we were bluffing. They now know we weren't and just like the bully they sh1t themselves when someone hits back. This could well play out as you described Matt. If we had voted for Remain we would be up Sh1t Creek without a paddle now. Because we voted leave we have "Bargaining Chips" and we won't be asking Whimpy Cameroon to play them.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 1.53pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Don't keep f***ing lying then! I explained about the £350 million message, but you're too thick and stubborn to understand just like you are with mathematics, a union rep who can't understand how a pension scheme operates FFS. You know I'll make you look a tw*t like I always do when you take me on. Don't play chess with a Master Gusset. Yes some saw through the 350 million lie but many many didn't and feel duped. I note you didn't comment on the UKIP mep's comment about free movement of Labour. I apologise for my comments yesterday. Was below the belt. Pensions are a bit stuffed ain't they with the fall in share prices.
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 25 Jun 16 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
For all of these reasons, and there are plenty more if you dig into the internecine relationship between EU countries and the U.K., I firmly believe a deal will be hammered out. We, the voters, may not agree with it. Democracy and the result of the referendum needs to be respected. I doubt it will though. So you think that we are in a destructive relationship with other EU countries, but expect a (presumably amicable) deal to result? I would say that our relationships with the wealthier EU members are more mutually beneficial than destructive and that those countries will want to keep it that way, which the first part of your post seemed to indicate.
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Clear heads need to be applied to this situation. We are the largest single export market for Germany. I don't believe that the German government will allow the EU to slap punitive tariffs on goods and services from the UK, fully in the knowledge that the UK government will do likewise. There will be job losses in Gelsenkirchen and Wolfsburg. I don't believe that the EU will want to alienate the City because it is the largest clearing house for the Euro. I don't believe the EU will want to alienate Brits living in Europe because of the number of its citizens living in the UK. I don't believe that the EU will want to cease close border security and intelligence cooperation. I read that something like 70% of Ireland's GDP is related to the UK. The Irish are going to petition Brussels to do something to ensure heir interests are protected. For all of these reasons, and there are plenty more if you dig into the internecine relationship between EU countries and the U.K., I firmly believe a deal will be hammered out. We, the voters, may not agree with it. Democracy and the result of the referendum needs to be respected. I doubt it will though. These are my concerns. The German economy would have much more to lose by the EU falling apart at the seams than it would be sending a message to other nations that life outside of the EU is fine and dandy. Power in numbers. They will perhaps all be wiling to take a medium sized hit in exchange for a dramtic effect on us. If we lose access to the single market or have tarrifs coming out of our ears germany will become Europes trading centre, so it's win - win for them to give us a hard time. Obama has reaffirmed his view that we are at the back of the queue. It's a view that makes sense surely since we stop being the convenient european single market access point we once were. It's in their interest to have a strong EU and so we can expect a transfer of empahsis to those nations. Will it be the end of the world for us? No life goes on either way but i fear our economy will take a huge long term big hit and I also dont think its realistic to imagine that immigration will drops to tens of thousands either, so the entire reason for voting out for many could prove to be pointless. Nothing would make be happier than to me wrong and for us long term to have control of numbers coming in and a strong economy so of course i just that i'm wrong and it works out for future generations. Like everyone really i dont know what will happen, these are just my concerns. Edited by blackpalacefan (25 Jun 2016 1.58pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jun 16 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
The EU thought we were bluffing. This could well play out as you described Matt. If we had voted for Remain we would be up Sh1t Creek without a paddle now. Because we voted leave we have "Bargaining Chips" and we won't be asking Whimpy Cameroon to play them. Absolutely. But Cameron must have thought it was a virtual certainty that we would remain.
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| baldeagle73 Leamington spa 25 Jun 16 2.21pm |
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Cameron put all his eggs in one basket he shouldn't have even called a referendum now he's walked away
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Jun 16 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
These are my concerns. The German economy would have much more to lose by the EU falling apart at the seams than it would be sending a message to other nations that life outside of the EU is fine and dandy. Power in numbers. They will perhaps all be wiling to take a medium sized hit in exchange for a dramtic effect on us. If we lose access to the single market or have tarrifs coming out of our ears germany will become Europes trading centre, so it's win - win for them to give us a hard time. Obama has reaffirmed his view that we are at the back of the queue. It's a view that makes sense surely since we stop being the convenient european single market access point we once were. It's in their interest to have a strong EU and so we can expect a transfer of empahsis to those nations. Will it be the end of the world for us? No life goes on either way but i fear our economy will take a huge long term big hit and I also dont think its realistic to imagine that immigration will drops to tens of thousands either, so the entire reason for voting out for many could prove to be pointless. Nothing would make be happier than to me wrong and for us long term to have control of numbers coming in and a strong economy so of course i just that i'm wrong and it works out for future generations. Like everyone really i dont know what will happen, these are just my concerns. Edited by blackpalacefan (25 Jun 2016 1.58pm) Very well put We may get some deals but at the same time the EU will be doing its best to marginalise us and bring activity inside the EU The City of London will definitely lose out to Frankfurt for example.
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| chris123 hove actually 25 Jun 16 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
The vote was very close so its a split nation. Now that we're going out we'll have to see how it goes as the democratic process has played out. Its very uncertain times so i hope that it works out for all. Namely that we get controls on immigration but the economy isnt hit terribly in the long run. im unsure that either of those will end of reflecting what the public want. Not that close in England, 53.2% leave and 46.8% stay. Edited by chris123 (25 Jun 2016 2.33pm)
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Not that close in England, 53.2% leave and 48.8% stay. 102%? What a great turn out! I'm just saying that the nation is very much split down the middle. We voted leave so we should leave im just worried about the future thats all.
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