I no more think that those who voted to leave are morons than I think that those who voted remain are not.

I don't think anyone truly understood all the issues, and I include most of the politicians in that. There was far too much politics, far too much point scoring and far too much naked ambition on display. The very use of the term "project fear" says all that needs to be said about the campaigns.

Many people voted on emotions and not on facts. Many raised protests about austerity and immigration. Too many people these days distrust experts in any sphere and they certainly did about the impact of leaving the EU, when they were never more needed to be trusted. The overwhelming opinion of the experts, now being confirmed by events, was that leaving would bring a big economic cost. All that the leavers cling to is the hope that everything will be OK in the end, without a shred of evidence to justify it. Far too many were prepared to sacrifice the futures of the coming generations on the altars of their personal prejudices.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

That was one idiot at one meeting who proposed that and he was roundly shouted down for it. You can't use one person to p paint a whole organisation! Hardly the That's the problem, you can't see how things get exaggerated before they become old wives tales. If it were the GS what said it, it would be a different kettle of fish.

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I've actually written about education for labour left briefing. They're a nice bunch, why do you emotively call them odious?

All of the organisations you mention are tiny and will have barely any influence. I know the alliance for workers liberty amounts to no more than about fifty people.

It's good to see they are reunited on a cause rather than engage in factional infighting.

But you are focusing your ire on a tiny tiny fraction of the membership of the biggest member led political party in Europe

Why do I call communists odious? Because I think that communists are odious.
There are those in your 'tiny tiny fraction' that are close to Corbyn, who are odious.

The following are the key policies of the Communist Party of Britain. How many of them do you disagree with?

• Redistribute wealth from the rich and big business to working people and their families with a wealth tax, higher corporation tax, cuts in VAT and higher pensions and social benefits.

• Set the national minimum wage at half median male earnings rising to two-thirds, with no exemptions, and enforce equal pay through compulsory pay audits.

• Immediately restore the link between the state retirement pension and earnings at its original value and introduce a second state pension which includes contributions from employers and the state.

• Halt all forms of privatisation and invest in public services and their staff, with a massive programme in particular to build more council and sheltered housing.

• Integrate all religious, private, trust and city academy schools into a unified secular education system under democratic local control.

• Protect and develop manufacturing industry through public investment, measures against the export of jobs and capital, and expanding fair trade with People's China and other developing countries.

• Restore public ownership in the energy and transport sectors – including the electricity, gas, coal, water and railway industries – so that we can plan to meet future needs by developing clean coal technology and tidal, solar and offshore wind power.

• Match public subsidies to failing private companies with a public shareholding and take banking and key industries such as pharmaceuticals and armaments into democratic public ownership.

• Cut military spending to average European levels, switch military R&D and production to meeting social needs and scrap plans to replace Trident with a new nuclear weapons system.

• Oppose all steps towards a military, monopoly capitalist United States of Europe including an EU constitution, the EU services directive and EU labour law reform.

• Repeal all anti-trade union, anti-democratic and racist immigration laws with full employment rights and trade union participation for migrant workers.

• Strengthen the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly and restore powers and resources to local government.

• Abolish the House of Lords, break up the media monopolies, scrap plans for ID cards and bring the police and intelligence services under democratic control.

• Cancel all Third World debt, promote genuine trade-and-aid policies and oppose the GATS plan to privatise public services across the world.

I don't think they publicise their hidden agenda.

I don't agree with any of their policies. I partly agree with their EU policy, but in addition to opposing a "monopoly capitalist United States of Europe", I would also oppose a communist United States of Europe, or any other type of United States of Europe for that matter.