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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 19 Oct 17 9.39am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by npn

Agreed.
I actually abstained because I had no faith in any form of meaningful EU reform, and I didn't want a 'remain' vote to be treated as a "I love the EU and all it stands for", as was done with the AV vote (those of us who voted against because AV was a pile of poo, but strongly favour proper PR saw our rejection of AV swiftly turned into "we don't want PR", but I was very uncomfortable with the leave camp, and the idea it was an anti immigrant vote, do I just couldn't bring myself to support either.

(apologies for the selective quoting - still a size limit on responses at work)

Agree with points on AV.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 19 Oct 17 9.41am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Labour big win over universal credit but Mrs May will proceed regardless as it is advisory not binding.

So the votes do not matter.

So why does the leave vote matter so much as it is also advisory not binding?


Two different things, but despite that the Tories are too self indulgent and narrow minded in their interest to do anything other than use situations for their own ends. Brexit for most of them isn't about doing what's best for the country. Shame.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Oct 17 10.59am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by npn

Agreed.
I actually abstained because I had no faith in any form of meaningful EU reform, and I didn't want a 'remain' vote to be treated as a "I love the EU and all it stands for", as was done with the AV vote (those of us who voted against because AV was a pile of poo, but strongly favour proper PR saw our rejection of AV swiftly turned into "we don't want PR", but I was very uncomfortable with the leave camp, and the idea it was an anti immigrant vote, do I just couldn't bring myself to support either.

(apologies for the selective quoting - still a size limit on responses at work)

This is a fair point and it's true that this always happens. The truth of any vote for and against something is that it will contain within it degrees of enthusiasm to almost a forced reluctance.

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

So in the last few days I've been called a Communist and a Fascist. Corbyn was right. Labour are the new centre ground.

Now the EU. Can anyone make everyone feel confident about the current s*** shower of a strong and stable Brexit?

Not nice when people make insinuations and call you names is it.
When you dish it out, you gotta take it comrade.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Oh dear.

Now back to the EU.

Hrolf, how would you persuade someone who is a bit reticent about Brexit, because basically it's a s***storm of w***ery performed by cockwomble incompetents which has lead us to being the laughing stock of the world, that things will turn out well?

I don't need to. I never expected a smooth ride. You clearly don't undertand how negotiation works or that leaving Europe is worth the pain.

Your opinion is worthless anyway. You would agree with the Labout position no matter what it was. You are a party man. Sad but true.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 19 Oct 17 11.26am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't need to. I never expected a smooth ride. You clearly don't undertand how negotiation works or that leaving Europe is worth the pain.

Your opinion is worthless anyway. You would agree with the Labout position no matter what it was. You are a party man. Sad but true.

You won't or you can't?

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

You won't or you can't?

It is irrelevant. Brexit is going ahead with no second referendums or other various attempts at subverting democracy and I'm glad of it.

I don't know why you tedious Remainers are still whining.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 19 Oct 17 11.52am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is irrelevant. Brexit is going ahead with no second referendums or other various attempts at subverting democracy and I'm glad of it.

I don't know why you tedious Remainers are still whining.

Democracy is limited. We need more say on how Brexit happens. We need more say on most things.

[Link]

Posted this yesterday but it's worth reading IMO and discussing.

While Brexit is happening it's not happening in a way that reflects the will of the people or our best interests.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 19 Oct 17 11.56am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is irrelevant. Brexit is going ahead with no second referendums or other various attempts at subverting democracy and I'm glad of it.

I don't know why you tedious Remainers are still whining.

Yes I know leave won. That's not the issue. I want to know what's going well.

 

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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Democracy is limited. We need more say on how Brexit happens. We need more say on most things.

[Link]

Posted this yesterday but it's worth reading IMO and discussing.

While Brexit is happening it's not happening in a way that reflects the will of the people or our best interests.

Until people disagree with you. Then we need a second referendum.

Behave.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes I know leave won. That's not the issue. I want to know what's going well.

There is no 'well'. There is a negotiation in which a deal will be arrived at. Until that is concluded, all further discussion is superfluous.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 19 Oct 17 12.27pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is no 'well'. There is a negotiation in which a deal will be arrived at. Until that is concluded, all further discussion is superfluous.

So what people want from a deal and the concerns of citizens and business is superfluous? The government should just be allowed to tear themselves apart and throw away any opportunities for a better country we might have and just stand to the side and watch on tight lipped?

That's a load of rubbish. People should be standing up at every stage and not letting the government simply ride roughshod over our rights and futures and create a society that's worse off and less equal. This isn't about accepting or not the referendum result. It's about making sure what we want to achieve following that result is listened to and acted upon. Brexit is not a mandate for the government to ignore us (100% of the population not 52/48%).

The discussions before a deal are massively important if you care about the contents of that deal. It's much better to be heard now and get that included in the deal and make sure the deal is as good as possible and society better of as a result than moan about it once the deal is a bad one. Brexit is no guaranteed success!

 

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