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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 06 Feb 18 9.54am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

‘...and blame brown people....’

Accusing Brexiteers of racism. Very poor.

You have lost me. Go bother someone else with your inaccurate and insulting stereotypes.


I'm afraid that is the view of a number of Brexiters. I'm willing to retract that part of the statement though. The points will be no less true. You are just using it as an excuse not to engage with the serious problems being created by the government.

 

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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


I'm afraid that is the view of a number of Brexiters. I'm willing to retract that part of the statement though. The points will be no less true. You are just using it as an excuse not to engage with the serious problems being created by the government.

Simplistic tosh.
I thought you were smarter.

When you use the 'brown people' gambit, it just suggests that you are either afraid to discuss the complexities of the topic or are too dim to understand them. It is Gussetballs at it's most feeble.
When debating, it is taken for granted that there is a portion of the population that hold prejudices of all types and that their opinions don't generally alter the statistical realities of Britain in 2018. What does impact on it is when people in positions of power have an agenda that appears to run counter to the interests of the majority.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 06 Feb 18 12.09pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Simplistic tosh.
I thought you were smarter.

When you use the 'brown people' gambit, it just suggests that you are either afraid to discuss the complexities of the topic or are too dim to understand them. It is Gussetballs at it's most feeble.
When debating, it is taken for granted that there is a portion of the population that hold prejudices of all types and that their opinions don't generally alter the statistical realities of Britain in 2018. What does impact on it is when people in positions of power have an agenda that appears to run counter to the interests of the majority.

I said I would retract that part of my post. I will go and edit now, and then you can respond to the rest of it, of which that was only a minor point.

I agree the current government is acting contrary to the interests of the the majority on many many policies, including on pursuing a muddled and feeble Breixt strategy.

 

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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I said I would retract that part of my post. I will go and edit now, and then you can respond to the rest of it, of which that was only a minor point.

I agree the current government is acting contrary to the interests of the the majority on many many policies, including on pursuing a muddled and feeble Breixt strategy.

It's obviously got you all muddled as well.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Simplistic tosh.
I thought you were smarter.

When you use the 'brown people' gambit, it just suggests that you are either afraid to discuss the complexities of the topic or are too dim to understand them. It is Gussetballs at it's most feeble.
When debating, it is taken for granted that there is a portion of the population that hold prejudices of all types and that their opinions don't generally alter the statistical realities of Britain in 2018. What does impact on it is when people in positions of power have an agenda that appears to run counter to the interests of the majority.

Correct, however they did alter the 'statistical reality' in June 2016 when most of those who voted for the UK to leave the EU voted so because they hated foreigners living and working in the UK. You can dress up that fact in different ways such as 'controlling immigration' or whatever other smoke & mirrors that have been used to avoid the reality of it butthat's been going on since the referendum result. Plain and simple racism and xenophobia by those who were shown up as lazy, overpaid and uncompetitive.

 

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Originally posted by europalace

Correct, however they did alter the 'statistical reality' in June 2016 when most of those who voted for the UK to leave the EU voted so because they hated foreigners living and working in the UK. You can dress up that fact in different ways such as 'controlling immigration' or whatever other smoke & mirrors that have been used to avoid the reality of it butthat's been going on since the referendum result. Plain and simple racism and xenophobia by those who were shown up as lazy, overpaid and uncompetitive.

Hated? On what evidence do you base such a statement?

If people voted in order to reduce immigration, I seriously doubt that any more than a tiny minority voted Leave out of hatred.
There are many factors surrounding immigration that are a big concern to people but hating is rarely involved I'm sure.
You have a lot to say about the people of Britain for someone who doesn't even live here. Don't rush back.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 06 Feb 18 1.03pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's obviously got you all muddled as well.


Avoiding the issues again I see.

Interesting to see ICM poll out today showing 16% think Brexit is going well and 53% think it's going badly.

Even out of those who voted Leave only 23% say it's going well.

Tory voters are the most likely to think it's going well, however only 32% believe it's going well.

All of these figures are worse than when the same poll wast carried out 2 months ago.


This will make bad reading for May. It's clear that the public think she's bungling Brexit.

 

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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


I'm afraid that is the view of a number of Brexiters. I'm willing to retract that part of the statement though. The points will be no less true. You are just using it as an excuse not to engage with the serious problems being created by the government.

So what if some Brexiters are concerned about race?

Look at white flight from London....Look at ghettoisation. Birds of a feather flock together....not all but very much the majority.

It's race independent.

It isn't a serious point.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 1.13pm)

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Hated? On what evidence do you base such a statement?

If people voted in order to reduce immigration, I seriously doubt that any more than a tiny minority voted Leave out of hatred.
There are many factors surrounding immigration that are a big concern to people but hating is rarely involved I'm sure.
You have a lot to say about the people of Britain for someone who doesn't even live here. Don't rush back.

Clearly we'll never know the figures for people who may have voted one way or the other due to reasons of intolerance, however there is clear anecdotal evidence of some people voting leave out of dislike for foreign people, and stats on increases in hate crimes following the vote and people calling for foreign people to "go home". You also had campaigning from people like Farage with his billboard showing a load of darker skinned people which was clearly meant to incite feelings of dislike towards those people.

A poll by Lord Ashcroft found that out of people who thought Multiculturalism was a "force for ill" 81% voted leave, that Social Liberalism was a "force for ill" 80%, Feminism 74%, Immigration 80%.

This paints a picture of intolerance being a key motivator.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So what if some Brexiters are concerned about race?

Look at white flight from London....Look at ghettoisation. Birds of a feather flock together....not all but very much the majority.

It's race independent.

It isn't a serious point.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 1.13pm)

I'm just saying I don't think Brexit is a silver bullet for these people's concerns, whether they are reasonable or not. It's clear that it's being mishandled and it's clear that the referendum process was deeply flawed. All it seems to be good for is getting Tory back benchers foaming at the mouth and proving the downfall for a succession of Tory Leaders.

It might have been different with proper planning and competent management and care taken to ensure a parliamentary majority for stated government policy.

 

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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Clearly we'll never know the figures for people who may have voted one way or the other due to reasons of intolerance, however there is clear anecdotal evidence of some people voting leave out of dislike for foreign people, and stats on increases in hate crimes following the vote and people calling for foreign people to "go home". You also had campaigning from people like Farage with his billboard showing a load of darker skinned people which was clearly meant to incite feelings of dislike towards those people.

A poll by Lord Ashcroft found that out of people who thought Multiculturalism was a "force for ill" 81% voted leave, that Social Liberalism was a "force for ill" 80%, Feminism 74%, Immigration 80%.

This paints a picture of intolerance being a key motivator.

Intolerance is rarely about nationality or 'race'. It is about perceived or real issues surrounding clash of cultures and the effect of migrants on the country.
Everyone is intolerant of things that will have or they believe will have a negative impact on their life.

You are intolerant of this government for example despite historical evidence that the alternatives will do no better or worse.

 

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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Feb 18 5.43pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


Avoiding the issues again I see.

Interesting to see ICM poll out today showing 16% think Brexit is going well and 53% think it's going badly.

Even out of those who voted Leave only 23% say it's going well.

Tory voters are the most likely to think it's going well, however only 32% believe it's going well.

All of these figures are worse than when the same poll wast carried out 2 months ago.


This will make bad reading for May. It's clear that the public think she's bungling Brexit.

You didn’t state the whole findings of the poll:

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May’s views on Brexit were more highly supported than Corbyn’s.

The politican most respected for their Brexit views was Boris.

Oh, and Labour are a point behind the Tories in the polls.

Not content with labelling people ‘racist’, a seemingly natural reaction of the left, you are also manipulating data.

Edited by matt_himself (06 Feb 2018 5.44pm)

 


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