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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 01 Apr 18 10.22am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

Phew, it could've been 100%.

Yes, thank goodness for all the Labour supporters who voted for Brexit,or we could be really stuffed.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Apr 18 10.27am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Manufacturing is tough enough already with complex supply chains criss-crossing international borders.

Thinking of the UK car industry in particular with its tiny profit margins.

 

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.TUX. Flag 01 Apr 18 10.31am

Originally posted by chris123

Yes, thank goodness for all the Labour supporters who voted for Brexit,or we could be really stuffed.

We've been ''stuffed'' for a long while, Brexit is merely the scapegoat.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 01 Apr 18 3.08pm

Originally posted by chris123

Voting Lib Dem then?

I would put a each penny on income tax for the NHS and Defence.

SS is correct that we have reached a technological point similar to the Dreadnought race where the whole services will require overhaul.

Edited by pefwin (01 Apr 2018 3.09pm)

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Apr 18 7.17am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Trade Secretary Liam Fox has admitted his department does not have the capacity to carry out multi-negotiations, meaning deals with key markets would have to be struck one at a time.

At a time like this.

That would be 25 years for 'trade deals' to be in place?

End brexit before the roof falls in....

 

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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 05 Apr 18 5.30pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle



Almost 1 year ago. i.e. a bit out of date.

The campaigning in Italy was interesting as EU/Eurozone membership wasn't really a big deal. A lot of it was along the lines of race, and 5 Star and the League both backed down from promises made a while ago to hold referenda on such matters.

There is an interesting episode of Talking Politics on it from a week ago. [Link]

Are you serious? Did you watch the documentary?

So the long-festering structural problems with Italy (whom would habitually and periodically devalue the Lira since the war) is "out of date", because it is a year old?

Yeah, yeah, same old "racists" voting the wrong way, eh? Do you lot ever change your tune?

 

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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 06 Apr 18 5.35pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

The issue for me has never been with the idea of Brexit, the issue I’ve always taken is with the context of mainstream euroscepticism.

Brexit in the form of an anti globalist concept is something I almost definitely could’ve got behind. Globalisation has undeniably become a corrupt & undemocratic form of extreme & perverse capitalism, and turned what may be very honourable fundamentals of the foundation of capitalism into multi national corporatism.

The problem is, the Brexit that was sold and the one we’ll end up with has been dictated to the public by a bunch of utterly obtuse charlatans, parading as “anti-establishment”, but haven’t a single good intention for the man on the street, and the rhetoric behind leaving has never been anything more than simplistic isolationism, anti regulation & xenophobia - simple as.

I’m a remainer not because I was or ever will be anti leaving, I’m a remainer because I’m anti leaving in the context that was put to the country and subsequently voted for.

Edited by Mstrobez (06 Apr 2018 5.36pm)

 


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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 06 Apr 18 5.42pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Maybe that's right, maybe that's horses***e. Whatever the reality, the first few years of Brexit will be choppy.....that's realistic.

I'm prepared for that as the price worth paying to having independence from EU control on laws and most importantly immigration.

Few people voted for Brexit for economic reasons.
The main thrust of the remain campaign was fought on this ground....most of its predictions were criminally inaccurate....possibly hyperbolicly designed lies....which is amusing considering all the accusations we get from the event selective anti Brexit press.

Lets just say that again....because this fact seems to have an issue in getting through to you as you continue to echo the failed remain campaign's economic line.

Few people voted for Brexit for economic reasons.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Apr 2018 10.25am)

Many people voted for issues that will only worsen in a weakening economy, though. This is what happens when neoliberalism rules the roost. Money is everything, especially when you’ve got Tories in power.

All those who voted to significantly control immigration, when all of the evidence suggests it brings a net contribution financially to the country are living in a fantasy land to think that whoever’s in charge of the country will significantly reduce the intake of immigrants, in or out.

British government, especially the Tories, will abandon all principles, amicable or not, for the sake of the economy.

The point I make over and over again to leavers is issues such as mass immigration are the fault of British Parliament, not the EU or EU migrants themselves.

It’s exploitation for financial gain, simple as. And from an economic point of view, it’s worked. It’s no good blaming waiting times in the NHS on foreigners but then putting yourself in a position where you can barely afford to sufficiently fund it. Let alone find enough people to sufficiently run it.

In a neoliberal & capitalist world, which I know you’re a fan of, the state of the Economy will always come first.


Edited by Mstrobez (06 Apr 2018 5.50pm)

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Apr 18 6.37pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Many people voted for issues that will only worsen in a weakening economy, though. This is what happens when neoliberalism rules the roost. Money is everything, especially when you’ve got Tories in power.

All those who voted to significantly control immigration, when all of the evidence suggests it brings a net contribution financially to the country are living in a fantasy land to think that whoever’s in charge of the country will significantly reduce the intake of immigrants, in or out.

British government, especially the Tories, will abandon all principles, amicable or not, for the sake of the economy.

The point I make over and over again to leavers is issues such as mass immigration are the fault of British Parliament, not the EU or EU migrants themselves.

It’s exploitation for financial gain, simple as. And from an economic point of view, it’s worked. It’s no good blaming waiting times in the NHS on foreigners but then putting yourself in a position where you can barely afford to sufficiently fund it. Let alone find enough people to sufficiently run it.

In a neoliberal & capitalist world, which I know you’re a fan of, the state of the Economy will always come first.


Edited by Mstrobez (06 Apr 2018 5.50pm)

'Its the economy, stoopid!'

Hate to admit it as I dislike the economy being the be-all and end-all of everything, I especially dislike hero-worship of GDP.

 

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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Many people voted for issues that will only worsen in a weakening economy, though. This is what happens when neoliberalism rules the roost. Money is everything, especially when you’ve got Tories in power.

All those who voted to significantly control immigration, when all of the evidence suggests it brings a net contribution financially to the country are living in a fantasy land to think that whoever’s in charge of the country will significantly reduce the intake of immigrants, in or out.

British government, especially the Tories, will abandon all principles, amicable or not, for the sake of the economy.

The point I make over and over again to leavers is issues such as mass immigration are the fault of British Parliament, not the EU or EU migrants themselves.

It’s exploitation for financial gain, simple as. And from an economic point of view, it’s worked. It’s no good blaming waiting times in the NHS on foreigners but then putting yourself in a position where you can barely afford to sufficiently fund it. Let alone find enough people to sufficiently run it.

In a neoliberal & capitalist world, which I know you’re a fan of, the state of the Economy will always come first.


Edited by Mstrobez (06 Apr 2018 5.50pm)


It's a view....net immigration has already come down and Brexit hasn't even started yet.

If you think that the Tory grassroots will accept the same 300, 000 net immigration increases after Brexit I think your judgement is way off.

The state of the economy doesn't always come first....I voted Brexit, which is accepting choppy economic waters for....probably a decade or more.

I'm anti globalisation....London is already spoken about as a migrant city and that's the city I grew up in. I'm a malcontent.

 


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.TUX. Flag 06 Apr 18 6.55pm

Draghi's still pumping the bloc with debt (that will have to be repaid by those poorer than he) in an effort to keep a fading dream alive and Deutsche Bank (just one of many) is still in the crap.

Interesting times ahead.

 


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.TUX. Flag 06 Apr 18 7.15pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Its the economy, stoopid!'

Hate to admit it as I dislike the economy being the be-all and end-all of everything, I especially dislike hero-worship of GDP.

Agreed, along with those who can't see past the FTSE as an economic guide.
Bloody Del-Boys the lot of em.
The best indicator is always the 'man on the street' and looking at the continuing personal debt levels, things are only getting worse.


 


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