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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 03 Jul 18 2.14pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

So the stab in the back is about to be delivered.

I suspect that history will show that it was going to happen all along and that the 52% are about to have their victory on June 23rd 2016 effectively negated. Actually leaving the UK is a worse position.

But this will not be the end. Only the beginning. And this is what those who will no doubt cheer what is about to happen and loudly proclaim 'told you so' fail to grasp.

They think that the proles will go back to their mundane little lives, being satisfied with mind numbing TV shows and generally indulging in all their unpleasant and definitely not on message Gammon lifestyles whilst we still bask in the kind and benevolent rule of the ECJ and the likes of Juncker and the real power in the EU, Martin Selmayr. He is the one who has orchestrated this with May now a full on Quisling.

And they are wrong. The people who told us that Leave never stood a chance on June 23rd or mocked the suggestion that Trump would become the US President will be the same ones who will now believe we are going to sit back and swallow this.

Nah. Ain't going to happen. If May thinks that by effectively imposing a Norway style deal on the UK that turns us into nothing more than an EU bitch boy (and lets not forget that Norway enjoy a 75% balance of payments with the EU in their favour, hence why they swallow the s*** they do) will somehow heal the divides in this country then she has never been so wrong about anything in her life.

This stab in the back happens and you ain't seen nothing yet in terms of upheaval.

We stand on the cusp. May has to be bought down before this can happen. And any Leaver in Parliament who does not do anything to make this happen is more deserving of our collective scorn than any Remainer.

May disgusts me. Would rather have Corbyn in the top job than her and I would never have thought I could think that, let alone commit to it in writing.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

So the stab in the back is about to be delivered.

I suspect that history will show that it was going to happen all along and that the 52% are about to have their victory on June 23rd 2016 effectively negated. Actually leaving the UK is a worse position.

But this will not be the end. Only the beginning. And this is what those who will no doubt cheer what is about to happen and loudly proclaim 'told you so' fail to grasp.

They think that the proles will go back to their mundane little lives, being satisfied with mind numbing TV shows and generally indulging in all their unpleasant and definitely not on message Gammon lifestyles whilst we still bask in the kind and benevolent rule of the ECJ and the likes of Juncker and the real power in the EU, Martin Selmayr. He is the one who has orchestrated this with May now a full on Quisling.

And they are wrong. The people who told us that Leave never stood a chance on June 23rd or mocked the suggestion that Trump would become the US President will be the same ones who will now believe we are going to sit back and swallow this.

Nah. Ain't going to happen. If May thinks that by effectively imposing a Norway style deal on the UK that turns us into nothing more than an EU bitch boy (and lets not forget that Norway enjoy a 75% balance of payments with the EU in their favour, hence why they swallow the s*** they do) will somehow heal the divides in this country then she has never been so wrong about anything in her life.

This stab in the back happens and you ain't seen nothing yet in terms of upheaval.

We stand on the cusp. May has to be bought down before this can happen. And any Leaver in Parliament who does not do anything to make this happen is more deserving of our collective scorn than any Remainer.

May disgusts me. Would rather have Corbyn in the top job than her and I would never have thought I could think that, let alone commit to it in writing.

It's a pity if you are not at Chequers on Friday.

You could throw a 'Matov Cocktail' and put the country out of it's misery.



 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 03 Jul 18 5.25pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's a pity if you are not at Chequers on Friday.

You could throw a 'Matov Cocktail' and put the country out of it's misery.



LOL. Its a nice thought.

I actually suspect that the situation in the UK, and others places such as Germany and Sweden to name two, is akin to that of a peat moor on fire. No flames visible above the surface but with a fire burning away in many places.

Now depending on your political outlook you can, with some justification to brush away fears about it breaking out into something far more destructive by arguing that it all looks fine from your POV but its short term at best.

And a Brexit stabbed in the back narrative, has the potential to cause this fire to become far more visible with the real possibility of it setting fire to a whole lot more places.

Because if we are still tied to the EU then they will hammer us. They have to. I don't actually blame them for that as they are fighting for their very survival. We have to become the example of the naughty child that dared to run away but came scurrying back because it might be a bit cold and wet out there on their own for a week or two, now having to content itself with staring in through the window whilst all the good children are served up jelly and ice-cream and kept nice and warm. And the EU constantly reminding them of what happens to children who have the audacity to try to run away.

This is why a Norway style deal is the worst of all worlds. And why is MUST be opposed until we have a true Brexit.

And that is a battle that needs to be fought in almost every context of the word.


 


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Originally posted by Matov

LOL. Its a nice thought.

I actually suspect that the situation in the UK, and others places such as Germany and Sweden to name two, is akin to that of a peat moor on fire. No flames visible above the surface but with a fire burning away in many places.

Now depending on your political outlook you can, with some justification to brush away fears about it breaking out into something far more destructive by arguing that it all looks fine from your POV but its short term at best.

And a Brexit stabbed in the back narrative, has the potential to cause this fire to become far more visible with the real possibility of it setting fire to a whole lot more places.

Because if we are still tied to the EU then they will hammer us. They have to. I don't actually blame them for that as they are fighting for their very survival. We have to become the example of the naughty child that dared to run away but came scurrying back because it might be a bit cold and wet out there on their own for a week or two, now having to content itself with staring in through the window whilst all the good children are served up jelly and ice-cream and kept nice and warm. And the EU constantly reminding them of what happens to children who have the audacity to try to run away.

This is why a Norway style deal is the worst of all worlds. And why is MUST be opposed until we have a true Brexit.

And that is a battle that needs to be fought in almost every context of the word.


And how exactly do you propose this happnens?

 


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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 04 Jul 18 9.11am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

So the stab in the back is about to be delivered.

I suspect that history will show that it was going to happen all along and that the 52% are about to have their victory on June 23rd 2016 effectively negated. Actually leaving the UK is a worse position.

But this will not be the end. Only the beginning. And this is what those who will no doubt cheer what is about to happen and loudly proclaim 'told you so' fail to grasp.

They think that the proles will go back to their mundane little lives, being satisfied with mind numbing TV shows and generally indulging in all their unpleasant and definitely not on message Gammon lifestyles whilst we still bask in the kind and benevolent rule of the ECJ and the likes of Juncker and the real power in the EU, Martin Selmayr. He is the one who has orchestrated this with May now a full on Quisling.

And they are wrong. The people who told us that Leave never stood a chance on June 23rd or mocked the suggestion that Trump would become the US President will be the same ones who will now believe we are going to sit back and swallow this.

Nah. Ain't going to happen. If May thinks that by effectively imposing a Norway style deal on the UK that turns us into nothing more than an EU bitch boy (and lets not forget that Norway enjoy a 75% balance of payments with the EU in their favour, hence why they swallow the s*** they do) will somehow heal the divides in this country then she has never been so wrong about anything in her life.

This stab in the back happens and you ain't seen nothing yet in terms of upheaval.

We stand on the cusp. May has to be bought down before this can happen. And any Leaver in Parliament who does not do anything to make this happen is more deserving of our collective scorn than any Remainer.

May disgusts me. Would rather have Corbyn in the top job than her and I would never have thought I could think that, let alone commit to it in writing.

If you think people like JRM, Farage, Gove, Boris or Trump even come close to representing the "proletariat" you have a screw loose. Leaving the EU was never really going to improve the lot of anyone but hedge fund managers and Tory party grandees. I agree that our society is far too unequal and investment in it has been sorely lacking for years now and that the intergenerational contract has been well and truly ripped up by the likes of May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major and Thatcher. We need the baby boomers to die off and release their hold over our democracy. Their sheer weight of numbers means they hold the balance of power in elections and (along with their hoarded wealth) the balance of buying power with businesses.

The EU has provided social breaks on what has always been a relatively right wing society and economy in the UK. Leaving it only makes sense if you do the prep BEFOREHAND and when the UK has moved further to the left to allow genuine social and economic safeguards to be put in place which will drive us towards greater equality and far less burden on the planet. We're nowhere near that and with the complete mess the govt has made of Brexit it shouldn't be allowed to happen now. Would be a disaster.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 04 Jul 18 9.16am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

LOL. Its a nice thought.

I actually suspect that the situation in the UK, and others places such as Germany and Sweden to name two, is akin to that of a peat moor on fire. No flames visible above the surface but with a fire burning away in many places.

Now depending on your political outlook you can, with some justification to brush away fears about it breaking out into something far more destructive by arguing that it all looks fine from your POV but its short term at best.

And a Brexit stabbed in the back narrative, has the potential to cause this fire to become far more visible with the real possibility of it setting fire to a whole lot more places.

Because if we are still tied to the EU then they will hammer us. They have to. I don't actually blame them for that as they are fighting for their very survival. We have to become the example of the naughty child that dared to run away but came scurrying back because it might be a bit cold and wet out there on their own for a week or two, now having to content itself with staring in through the window whilst all the good children are served up jelly and ice-cream and kept nice and warm. And the EU constantly reminding them of what happens to children who have the audacity to try to run away.

This is why a Norway style deal is the worst of all worlds. And why is MUST be opposed until we have a true Brexit.

And that is a battle that needs to be fought in almost every context of the word.


Why exactly? They'd have much less reason to if we stayed. If we stay we are still in the club and have a say. Don't forget the UK has been one of a main architects of much of the EU's institutions and rules.

The example would be that leaving was a fool's errand without many many years of thoughtful prep beforehand, making it not worth thinking about for any political party. Who exactly would look at either the Tories or Labour right now and want to emulate them. They're both destroying themselves from within.

 

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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

And how exactly do you propose this happnens?

Fight them on the beaches?

 

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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Brexit is about the most "establishment" thing ever to happen. Foisted on us by a load of old fogies who will be long dead before any "independent trade deal" is struck by the UK.

If you think the likes of Fox, Gove, Boris, Davis and JRM represent anything other than a hardline Tory establishment you're a fool.

This isn’t true.

The CBI, Bank of England, most big business, the House of Lords, etc., all Remainers, all supporting project fear.

 


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Remember, David Cameron was so worried about losing votes to UKIP that he put the referendum in the manifesto to ensure the Tories got in power. They did.

Ironically, if Brexit isn't implemented properly, then Farage will come back to UKIP and though he may not win any seats, the UKIP vote will ensure the Tories lose seats and allow Labour in. The Tories will lose their power.

The biggest mistake was having a 'remainer' (the Maybot) as their party leader.

 

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Originally posted by matt_himself

This isn’t true.

The CBI, Bank of England, most big business, the House of Lords, etc., all Remainers, all supporting project fear.

Just because some people with an ounce of sense voice concern it doesn't mean that the thing about which they are voicing concern isn't an establishment project or is in the best interests of ordinary people.

Those you mention haven't exactly been lock step with the government at all times up until now. There have always been policies that one or all of them have not thought was a particularly good thing. This one just happens to be an enormous project with huge consequences.

Vote Leave was supported by people like Crispin Odey, and Arron Banks - people with vested interests in flushing the economy down the toilet and creating negative shocks so they could make a profit from it.

Also, I think it's referred to as project reality nowadays.

 

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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Remember, David Cameron was so worried about losing votes to UKIP that he put the referendum in the manifesto to ensure the Tories got in power. They did.

Ironically, if Brexit isn't implemented properly, then Farage will come back to UKIP and though he may not win any seats, the UKIP vote will ensure the Tories lose seats and allow Labour in. The Tories will lose their power.

The biggest mistake was having a 'remainer' (the Maybot) as their party leader.

Remember Vote Leave is about to be outed as having cheated.

 

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