The EU's strategy of just rejecting any sort of fudged position has worked very well to date so I see no need for them to deviate from it quite yet. May's position will keep softening until we're at Norway or no Brexit and they will say thank you very much. No deal a non-started given legislation in UK parliament RE Irish border and given parliamentary arithmetic.

What a buggers muddle.

I think the whole thing should be stopped, but I have pointed out on here that we should be doing full Brexit or no Brexit not a weak pastiche of soft Brexit. Waste of bloody time, money and effort. This is all Cameron's fault for doing zero prep and not making it abundantly clear on the voting slip what the actual choices were and saying Brexit will mean x,y and z and laying out a roadmap for how it would happen. Thanks to him all we've had is Tory party squabbling and May finally pushing us towards a pointless BINO following a disastrous election campaign and rejection of her strategy for Brexit and the country.

Cameron made it very clear during the campaign.....which was heavily biased to 'remain' both in funding and media coverage. He made it abundantly clear what he thought the downsides were.

The people who voted leave rejected the EU that has been signed up to by previous governments on several expansionist agreements without any agreement from themselves.

Your risible suggestion that a voting slip could act as some form of 'remainer' propaganda paper is risible. In my view it shows arrogance and contempt for the democratic process and any sort of balance between the two choices.

Was this done when we had the vote on the common market? Of course not.

The decision was made and all that is happening is the predictable mess when you have remainers in leadership and a remainer parliament.

I join Ukip this month and I expect quite a few previous Tory voters will as well.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2018 11.32am)

I imagine you're supporting the calls for Maybot to be deactivated?

OK - so ignore Gove / Bojo / Davis / Rees Moog / Corbyn's lack of any sort of coherent plan. what's your personal preferred plan?

Area's I suggest you cover include:
Regulatory alignment
Trade dispute resolution mechanism
customs rules and phytosanitary controls
Northern Island Border - including single energy market
Financial passporting and other recognition of UK professional qualifications and standards
Immigration policy
Security, international arrest warrant and data sharing
Air transport policy / Open skies agreement
Fisheries policy
Environmental policy
Replacing all the agencies and departments that we get as part of the EU and setting them up in Whitehall.
Infrastructure to support your preferred plan (inc. Cost and lead in time)
etc etc etc

Answers that include "Brexit means Brexit", "taking back control of our laws, our borders, whatever" "Red white and bollocks Brexit" are not sufficient. This is not meant to be a "disingenuous Criticism" it is just a statement of fact. If you want to leave the EU and have a new relationship with our geographic neighbour and the source of much of our imports and exports then you need to have a plan. That is before you even start the long and difficult task of re-negotiating all our existing FTA's we get as members of the largest and most successful trading bloc in the world; and then creating entirely new FTA's. All of this in an international shark tank where Trump and Putin in alliance are looking to destroy the current established world order.

You've had 40 years to come up with it so it should be pretty good.

OK - so ignore Gove / Bojo / Davis / Rees Moog / Corbyn's lack of any sort of coherent plan. what's your personal preferred plan?

Area's I suggest you cover include:
Regulatory alignment
Trade dispute resolution mechanism
customs rules and phytosanitary controls
Northern Island Border - including single energy market
Financial passporting and other recognition of UK professional qualifications and standards
Immigration policy
Security, international arrest warrant and data sharing
Air transport policy / Open skies agreement
Fisheries policy
Environmental policy
Replacing all the agencies and departments that we get as part of the EU and setting them up in Whitehall.
Infrastructure to support your preferred plan (inc. Cost and lead in time)
etc etc etc

Answers that include "Brexit means Brexit", "taking back control of our laws, our borders, whatever" "Red white and bollocks Brexit" are not sufficient. This is not meant to be a "disingenuous Criticism" it is just a statement of fact. If you want to leave the EU and have a new relationship with our geographic neighbour and the source of much of our imports and exports then you need to have a plan. That is before you even start the long and difficult task of re-negotiating all our existing FTA's we get as members of the largest and most successful trading bloc in the world; and then creating entirely new FTA's. All of this in an international shark tank where Trump and Putin in alliance are looking to destroy the current established world order.

You've had 40 years to come up with it so it should be pretty good.

shoot - lets go. Where do you want to start..