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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Jul 18 11.38am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Hmm. What he says is all fact save the opinion that the anti-EU lobby blame many problems that are of our own making on the EU.

He has failed to give specific examples of this. You have failed to give any examples where there is a clear line between EU act and our misfortune.

Sad, as I am sure there are numerous instances of both and this pointless discussion could rumble on for a few hundred pages.

The largest specific problem the EU created was unfettered, illegal immigration. There was no adequate attention given to external EU borders. Countries like Greece and Italy were just left to foot the bill of EU decisions by themselves. Hardly a supportive EU. Illegal immigrants will cost billions to deal with - if they are ever dealt with at all. When you consider it - no immigrants came straight to the UK - unless they could afford a direct flight. They came through other EU countries that failed to deal with them adequately.
One of the main issues with the EU is the lack of flexibility. So, whereas as government may want to invest in industry, or even protect an industry vital to an area, EU law will not allow it. So Corbyn would not be able to recreate BR for example. There has to be privitisation and competition. In the UK this was largely policy anyway but British Aerospace and other companies have faced issues with EU investigations into government investment. Funny how it was fine when Renault and Citroen were subsidised - like much of French industry. Another EU problem, one rule for Germany and France - another for everyone else. Put up with it or face a fine. As I have already stated, with EU proposals to tax The City of London 22c for every transaction, what choice does the UK really have?
The EU have also have quantitive easing - printing money for no reason, on no basis. They contributed hugely to the first financial crisis and will be a huge factor in the next one. Whereas, I agreed with the EU initially, especially with its 'equality for all Europeans' rhetoric, it was not long before it became an incredibly Draconian institution that was solely interested on imposing financial and economic restraints on its members - it's weaker members such as Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal in particular. Frankly, the people of Spain and Greece at the very least deserve an EU referendum, but of course they cannot have it as they could vote the 'wrong' way.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 31 Jul 18 11.40am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Cheap EU labour migration contributes to the damage of young British workers’ job and home owning opportunities, training and pay. That is a fact and I’m not happy about witnessing it.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jul 18 12.45pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by europalace


I gave a perfect example earlier in this discussion where the UK can impose the 3 month rule on EU citizens who can be deported from the UK and are not self supporting within that time. The UK decided not to use that option. Many still blame the EU for freedom of movement when there is a law in place for every EU nation to stop those who don't contribute to the economy.

That's entirely correct it was Mrs May as Home Secretary who decided not to use that option.

The EU is more democratic in practice than us as it reacts to pressure from its members.

Consequently we are seeing these changes to freedom of movement, and especially immigration where countries are determining their own quotas and have been reducing already.

How ironic that the UK will probably be the only country left with ever increased immigration.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jul 18 1.43pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

That's entirely correct it was Mrs May as Home Secretary who decided not to use that option.

The EU is more democratic in practice than us as it reacts to pressure from its members.

Consequently we are seeing these changes to freedom of movement, and especially immigration where countries are determining their own quotas and have been reducing already.

How ironic that the UK will probably be the only country left with ever increased immigration.

 


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View big_palace_fan's Profile big_palace_fan Flag 31 Jul 18 2.41pm Send a Private Message to big_palace_fan Add big_palace_fan as a friend

For those who would vote Brexit “for their kids”, please remember 73% of 18-24 year olds voted remain.

 

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.TUX. Flag 31 Jul 18 6.02pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Cheap EU labour migration contributes to the damage of young British workers’ job and home owning opportunities, training and pay. That is a fact and I’m not happy about witnessing it.

Although not solely, i agree.

Edited by .TUX. (31 Jul 2018 6.03pm)

 


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.TUX. Flag 31 Jul 18 6.06pm

Originally posted by big_palace_fan

For those who would vote Brexit “for their kids”, please remember 73% of 18-24 year olds voted remain.

When you consider the points made by 'Rudi', they're obviously stupid.

 


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View europalace's Profile europalace Flag Europe 31 Jul 18 7.17pm Send a Private Message to europalace Add europalace as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Cheap EU labour migration contributes to the damage of young British workers’ job and home owning opportunities, training and pay. That is a fact and I’m not happy about witnessing it.


How's that the case? EU citizens living and working in the UK have the same cost of living as 'local' British citizens. The fact that they might not demand big flat screen TV's, new cars, the lateset smartphone and other luxuries when they are 20 years old might be a clue.


Edited by europalace (31 Jul 2018 7.19pm)

 

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View Daz.CPFC's Profile Daz.CPFC Flag Bromley 31 Jul 18 7.21pm Send a Private Message to Daz.CPFC Add Daz.CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by big_palace_fan

For those who would vote Brexit “for their kids”, please remember 73% of 18-24 year olds voted remain.

Haha. Yeah...the same “kids” that have one through the brainwashing of University system.

 


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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 31 Jul 18 7.25pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by europalace


How's that the case? EU citizens living and working in the UK have the same cost of living as 'local' British citizens. The fact that they might not demand big flat screen TV's, new cars and other luxuries when they are 20 years old might be a clue.


Edited by europalace (31 Jul 2018 7.18pm)

Really,because I drive a lorry and deliver to a lot of supermarket depots.
And they are all nearly 80% eastern European.
Nothing wrong with that,I talk and have a good laugh with them.
BUT.and here's the big thing I ask them how they manage to pay rent and live on their wages.
The majority of them live in shared house's 6/8/10 in the house sharing bills.
Nothing wrong with that good luck to them.
But the point being a married couple with say 1child can't afford to on the wages they pay.
But as long as the "big corporations" keep paying s*** wages it will continue, because they know they have an endless supply of cheap labour.

 


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View europalace's Profile europalace Flag Europe 31 Jul 18 7.26pm Send a Private Message to europalace Add europalace as a friend

Originally posted by Daz.CPFC

Haha. Yeah...the same “kids” that have one through the brainwashing of University system.


or maybe they've received a better education? That's the whole point of further education.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jul 18 7.29pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

There are no fools like old leave fools.

Desperate clutching at straws.

Perhaps they will tell us how not having anyone to pick fruit and vegetables for us, can impact on youngsters job and home prospects.

The youngsters clearly do not.

Serve the old codgers right if they starve.


 

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