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 silvertop  Portishead 01 Aug 18 11.05am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Cheap EU labour migration contributes to the damage of young British workers’ job and home owning opportunities, training and pay. That is a fact and I’m not happy about witnessing it. Or it fills a widening labour gap consequent of an ageing population with generally well educated Europeans. The low cost is short term as integration will eventually level out comparative costs of labour. Ironic that a high proportion of elderly people voted leave without realising or giving any real thought to the fact that they were cutting the number of immigrants who work here, pay tax and help fund their pensions and other benefits. Just turn the pointer 180 degrees and the same facts produce a different outcome.
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| .TUX. 01 Aug 18 10.23pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Or it fills a widening labour gap consequent of an ageing population with generally well educated Europeans. The low cost is short term as integration will eventually level out comparative costs of labour. Ironic that a high proportion of elderly people voted leave without realising or giving any real thought to the fact that they were cutting the number of immigrants who work here, pay tax and help fund their pensions and other benefits. Just turn the pointer 180 degrees and the same facts produce a different outcome. These people have lived a long life in both 'camps' and voted accordingly. Hardly ''ironic'' tbf.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 02 Aug 18 10.56am |
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
I think sack may and put Rees-mogg or Boris in charge to sort things out imo The mistake we always make is believing that replacing a politician with another politician will somehow improve matters. With over 200 years of experience, you'd have thought that the sheer folly of trusting any politician would have sunk in by now but no, it's just the same old same old, time after time. The rich continue to shaft the poor, vested interests continue to prevail over the common good and individual freedoms continue to be encroached upon. For a supposedly 'intelligent' specie, mankind is extraordinarily stupid sometimes.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Aug 18 11.36am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Or it fills a widening labour gap consequent of an ageing population with generally well educated Europeans. The low cost is short term as integration will eventually level out comparative costs of labour.
Also, integration isn't going to be large scale if you have to have an ever larger number of first generation immigrants is it. Originally posted by silvertop
Ironic that a high proportion of elderly people voted leave without realising or giving any real thought to the fact that they were cutting the number of immigrants who work here, pay tax and help fund their pensions and other benefits. Just turn the pointer 180 degrees and the same facts produce a different outcome. Japan has a much higher number of elderly and much higher productivity than us. They get around the immigration problem by only allowing 'guest workers'....like our old visa system. You aren't allowed to easily become Japanese.....hence in a 100 years time those who visit Japan will still see Japan.....I have my doubts that England will even retain its name England in a 100 years time because the percentage of people regarding themselves as English in England will be so low. The coming automation will solve the elderly problem. But for England it will be too late. The politicians of this and the last couple of generations........those on the 'no borders' left and 'cheap labour' right will have destroyed their own nation.
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 02 Aug 18 11.49am |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
The mistake we always make is believing that replacing a politician with another politician will somehow improve matters. With over 200 years of experience, you'd have thought that the sheer folly of trusting any politician would have sunk in by now but no, it's just the same old same old, time after time. The rich continue to shaft the poor, vested interests continue to prevail over the common good and individual freedoms continue to be encroached upon. For a supposedly 'intelligent' specie, mankind is extraordinarily stupid sometimes. To what extent do you think the electorate gets the politicians it deserves? I'm not going quite as far as calling democracy "rule by the uneducated", but if people think that all they have to do to have a well-run civil society is turn up every five years, stick a cross in a box, and then dedicate the rest of their time to their own individualistic pursuits, is it any wonder that we end up with vapid, self-promoting narcissists running the country?
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| rmdavis02 03 Aug 18 11.30am |
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"The coming automation will solve the elderly problem." The gov has spent two years doing virtually nothing but trying (and failing) to sort out the Brexit mess when it should have been planning to reshape our economy to prepare us for driverless cars, robots and other impacts of automation, as other EU countries have been doing.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 04 Aug 18 7.21pm |
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Originally posted by rmdavis02
"The coming automation will solve the elderly problem." The gov has spent two years doing virtually nothing but trying (and failing) to sort out the Brexit mess when it should have been planning to reshape our economy to prepare us for driverless cars, robots and other impacts of automation, as other EU countries have been doing. Amen to that. As a staunch Brexit voter I am dismayed at the lack of vision from politicians from all parties for post Brexit.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Aug 18 7.58pm |
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Originally posted by rmdavis02
"The coming automation will solve the elderly problem." The gov has spent two years doing virtually nothing but trying (and failing) to sort out the Brexit mess when it should have been planning to reshape our economy to prepare us for driverless cars, robots and other impacts of automation, as other EU countries have been doing. The UK is in the forefront with this technology. You just haven't taken note.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 05 Aug 18 8.27am |
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View from the other side. I have just got back from a Yoga Retreat, my fellow yogi's are all Remainers. These people were largely academics, Professors, researchers etc. Highly intelligent and generally nice sensible folk. On the subject of Brexit they were all angry and genuinely scared about what will happen. As a NOT SHY Brexit voter my lady friend had to tell me to keep my mouth shut as this wasn't the time or place to be an army of one. I could have challenged them but took her advice and glad I did. This was a retreat not a political debate. Anyway over the week I kept silent and just listened I am glad I did as my close friends are all for Brexit so this was the first time I was in company that was overwhelmingly remain. I hadn't appreciated the depth of feeling and fear until now. I haven't changed my opinion but I do think that the Brexit camp need to do more to assuage the fears of those who voted to remain. These people are not stupid yet their concerns are genuine. Anyway Just thought I would share. Edited by Badger11 (05 Aug 2018 8.33am)
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| the silurian Online The garden of England.(not really) 05 Aug 18 8.34am |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
One of the very best things about Brexit is how it so utterly pisses off people like you.
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| the silurian Online The garden of England.(not really) 05 Aug 18 8.38am |
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Originally posted by europalace
Many EU citizens who live in the UK also have young families and they manage just fine. What's the problem for the equivalent British? I think it's that they expect too much too soon rather than plan long term. I've lived and worked in several other EU countries and what I've experienced is that young people don't have the same material demands as their peers in the UK. For example, there's no big demand to buy property, people generally rent until their 30's or 40s and have a nice life doing so. They don't expect to have fancy car, just something basic as a means of transport. Plenty of other similar differences in expectations which makes them much happier as they get less disappointed. Edited by europalace (31 Jul 2018 7.30pm) I lived in France for 15 years and rents are MUCH MUCH cheaper than in UK, thats the main reason why they rent Edited by the silurian (05 Aug 2018 8.39am)
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| .TUX. 05 Aug 18 9.17am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
View from the other side. I have just got back from a Yoga Retreat, my fellow yogi's are all Remainers. These people were largely academics, Professors, researchers etc. Highly intelligent and generally nice sensible folk. On the subject of Brexit they were all angry and genuinely scared about what will happen. As a NOT SHY Brexit voter my lady friend had to tell me to keep my mouth shut as this wasn't the time or place to be an army of one. I could have challenged them but took her advice and glad I did. This was a retreat not a political debate. Anyway over the week I kept silent and just listened I am glad I did as my close friends are all for Brexit so this was the first time I was in company that was overwhelmingly remain. I hadn't appreciated the depth of feeling and fear until now. I haven't changed my opinion but I do think that the Brexit camp need to do more to assuage the fears of those who voted to remain. These people are not stupid yet their concerns are genuine. Anyway Just thought I would share. Edited by Badger11 (05 Aug 2018 8.33am) 1. How very 'progressive' of her. Bless 'em.
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