The Brexit Thread (LOCKED)
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In | RSS Feed
 davenotamonkey  08 Oct 18 5.54pm |
  |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by steeleye20
Like I said. They can vote on what leaving actually is, not as politicians said 2 years ago. How ridiculous it looks now, go back to it the campaign is painful, but if you vote again democrats no objection from me. The last referendum was advisory only as you know. Referendums bah humbug ......... Pick up the phone and scrap the whole thing.....
What utter tripe. The parameters of our relationship with the EU have not changed one iota. You are just whining about the outcomes following our decision. And it is pathetic. We are still subject to the exact same treaty conditions, subservience to the ECJ, limitations in our trading relations outside their protectionist barrier, taking law passed via a rubber-stamping parliament and meeking dumping it into our statute books with no dissent allowed. If (for example) in the intervening 2 years EU membership were re-defined such that, we were no long subject to ECJ rulings and were able to strike trade deals with the ROW, then it would perhaps be legitimate to re-consider the question. But you only want to revisit the question because you lost. Dress it up however you want, it is only those that want to remain that are calling for another referendum. Ironically, of course, the original referendum in the 70's didn't include the huge drive for "integration" (read "United States of Europe") within the scope for the vote. Our relationship fundamentally changed with Maastricht (no referendum), Nice (no referendum) and Lisbon (no referendum, and by far the most far-reaching transfer of power).
|
|
 Alert a moderator to this post |
 |
| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Oct 18 5.55pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Now people know there are only 3 concrete options and there is far more clarity on the implications for the border in NI. Also we know we're all about £900 poorer than we would have been without the vote and we know the government is incapable of negotiating. But importantly we know the 3 options: Remain. Leave with a Canada style deal (with added security cooperation) or WTO terms with a border in the Irish Sea. Leave but stay in the CU/SM (so called Norway option). This would avoid any border between Ireland and GB/UK. You are another bad loser. You think that the British public are qualified to predict the future with any amount of information? Of course it won't be unbiased information either. Please extract yourself from this self serving fantasy.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 08 Oct 18 6.02pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by davenotamonkey
What utter tripe. The parameters of our relationship with the EU have not changed one iota. You are just whining about the outcomes following our decision. And it is pathetic. We are still subject to the exact same treaty conditions, subservience to the ECJ, limitations in our trading relations outside their protectionist barrier, taking law passed via a rubber-stamping parliament and meeking dumping it into our statute books with no dissent allowed. If (for example) in the intervening 2 years EU membership were re-defined such that, we were no long subject to ECJ rulings and were able to strike trade deals with the ROW, then it would perhaps be legitimate to re-consider the question. But you only want to revisit the question because you lost. Dress it up however you want, it is only those that want to remain that are calling for another referendum. Ironically, of course, the original referendum in the 70's didn't include the huge drive for "integration" (read "United States of Europe" Edited by davenotamonkey (08 Oct 2018 5.54pm) Try explaining that to the bulk of Remainiacs on here and it’ll be fingers in ears accompanied by a chant of ‘la la la’.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
within the scope for the vote. Our relationship fundamentally changed with Maastricht (no referendum), Nice (no referendum) and Lisbon (no referendum, and by far the most far-reaching transfer of power). | davenotamonkey 08 Oct 18 6.05pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Try explaining that to the bulk of Remainiacs on here and it’ll be fingers in ears accompanied by a chant of ‘la la la’. Which is exactly why I don't bother any more - Remainiac lobotomies on here, and wider afield have now doubled down and see it as their one and only saviour, their panacea for all, their one-true-answer to the "nasty tories". It's become a cult. If you don't believe me, go take a look at the "FBPE" nut-cases on twitter. Literally a cult. And you can't reason with cultists.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stuk Top half 08 Oct 18 6.12pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Which is exactly why I don't bother any more - Remainiac lobotomies on here, and wider afield have now doubled down and see it as their one and only saviour, their panacea for all, their one-true-answer to the "nasty tories". It's become a cult. If you don't believe me, go take a look at the "FBPE" nut-cases on twitter. Literally a cult. And you can't reason with cultists. I came to that conclusion many, many months ago.
Optimistic as ever |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 08 Oct 18 6.24pm |
 |
|---|---|
|
Mmmm...on the verge of 1000 pages.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| chris123 hove actually 08 Oct 18 6.46pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Mmmm...on the verge of 1000 pages. Anyone changed their minds over the course of the thread?
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| .TUX. 08 Oct 18 6.50pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by chris123
Anyone changed their minds over the course of the thread? Nope.
Buy Litecoin. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Oct 18 6.52pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by chris123
Anyone changed their minds over the course of the thread? Yes I have.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| steeleye20 Croydon 08 Oct 18 6.53pm |
|
|---|---|
|
I don't think that people want to leave the EU anymore, or even did in 2016 it was marginal. A vote again would be for remain in my opinion. Look back at that vote, that campaign, and tell me that it was fair, balanced, legal and not hysterical wildly dishonest. But the main thing is that leave objectives will not be achieved. That bonkers red bus, would leave roll it out now? That's how discredited the whole thing is. If a vote is called then the public can vote on the issue as it actually is, what is actually going to happen if the UK leaves the EU. Leavers can just go out and vote leave again nobody is stopping them.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Oct 18 6.57pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by steeleye20
I don't think that people want to leave the EU anymore, or even did in 2016 it was marginal. A vote again would be for remain in my opinion. Look back at that vote, that campaign, and tell me that it was fair, balanced, legal and not hysterical wildly dishonest. But the main thing is that leave objectives will not be achieved. That bonkers red bus, would leave roll it out now? That's how discredited the whole thing is. If a vote is called then the public can vote on the issue as it actually is, what is actually going to happen if the UK leaves the EU. Leavers can just go out and vote leave again nobody is stopping them. Yes they will. We will be out of the EU. Baby steps.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| steeleye20 Croydon 08 Oct 18 7.01pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Lets be honest, leavers here are emotional but then remainers are just as entitled to be. The vote was not final and it was advisory. There is always next time, and we can change our governments periodically at elections. There is always next time and referendums make any finality more unattainable. They were not meant for our system. What that vote really lacked was balance, there was nobody from the EU to make their case, a very strong one IMO.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Login / Register
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2023 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.