Labour hire Varoufakis as advisor
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 16 8.15am |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
And how did that work out for them? We both know that Greece were stitched up.
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 orpingtoneagle Orpington 01 Mar 16 8.37am |
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Mr Varoufakis has actually been to a Palace game, we were at the same university and he wanted to see some football so I took him to Palace (the local option being Colchester United.) Sad to say years have dulled my memory as to our opposition and alcohol the rest of the day.
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| matt_himself Matataland 01 Mar 16 8.55am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
We both know that Greece were stitched up. Really? A spendthrift government, allowing retirements at 55 and not collecting taxes in any meaningful way. That's not a stitch up.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 16 9.00am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Really? A spendthrift government, allowing retirements at 55 and not collecting taxes in any meaningful way. That's not a stitch up.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 01 Mar 16 9.24am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
We both know that Greece were stitched up. They were to a degree but he thought he could bully everyone, particularly the Germans (that never ends well) and ended up with a worse deal.
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| exitstageright London 01 Mar 16 9.38am |
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The EU knowingly created an unstable monetary union - the Greeks wanted the good life without paying for it. The Greek political establishment found someone else to pay for it, while profiting hugely along the way. The Eurocrats continued to ignore reality and called for ‘closer union’, ie: more of the same that caused the problems in the first place. Meanwhile Greece elects a government, even more out of touch with reality, that imagined that a policy of more government spending, taxing, and regulating would generate economic prosperity and fill the Greek treasury.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Mar 16 9.49am |
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Originally posted by exitstageright
The EU knowingly created an unstable monetary union - the Greeks wanted the good life without paying for it. The Greek political establishment found someone else to pay for it, while profiting hugely along the way. The Eurocrats continued to ignore reality and called for ‘closer union’, ie: more of the same that caused the problems in the first place. Meanwhile Greece elects a government, even more out of touch with reality, that imagined that a policy of more government spending, taxing, and regulating would generate economic prosperity and fill the Greek treasury. I pretty much agree with this. Countries like Greece should never have been in the Euro and when they were the EU should have become involved in directly ensuring their economic continuity. Greece maybe were a bit unlucky, given that the triggers that caused disaster were outside of their control, but their political parties entirely exploited membership of the EU and short term prosperity to promote short term popularity over long term stability. One of the core functions that the EU could serve is to protect nations from such exploitation by the political parties and to function as a means of forcing countries towards a reasonably sustainable future for the people of that nation. Greece went crazy, and when the Euro crashed (as the pound has done in the past) the failure of the EU to its member states was made clear. Entry and continued membership of the EU should have included a reasonable level of ensuring the sustainability of a countries economic capacity - Rather than just raping the corpse for whatever can be obtained when its gone to the wall.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Mar 16 10.17am |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
And how did that work out for them? In fairness, not much worse than the situation they were already in. Its not like the Hail Mary approach actually ruined the country. Greece also had insane defence spending for a country its size. Tax evasion in the country was 'Eastern European' in scale and corruption on a scale that with most 'mafia' states. Greece had also been misreporting statistics for decades, essentially fiddling the books which a number of international banks seem to have collaborated and encouraged (notably including 'payments' to Goldman Sacs). Essentially the entire country had, by 2009, become like a mafia run bankruptcy fraud/scam on a national scale.
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| Hoof Hearted 01 Mar 16 11.02am | |
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Sorry to have posted so late, but I ruptured my spleen laughing at Gusset's response to this news heralding Varoufakis' appointment as very good.. I'll have to be careful or the stitches will go again.
The Greeks are just lazy incompetent and corrupt.... Gusset himself has acknowledged Matt's point about their inept tax collection and ridiculously early state retirement age. It is in their DNA. They also built an underground system in Athens that commuters largely don't pay fares on when travelling and the cost of building it was paid for by Brussels as a sweetener to join. State of the art stuff with air conditioning and plasma tv screens on board - read all about it here:- This highlights the fundamental flaw in the EU - it is trying to create political and financial union between too many different cultures. Greece will never be able to be in accord with the UK or Germany's economy and it was a folly to even suggest it, let alone implement it. Were the Greeks stitched up? Were they fcuk. They went into this deal with eyes open and hands ready to clutch all the freebies they thought were coming their way and looked upon the EU as a rich sugar daddy who would always bail them out. The chief architect of this strategy was Varoufakis. When the sh1t inevitably hit the fan.... quelle surprise... he started playing silly buggers and brinkmanship making matters worse. They deserve all the financial pain they are getting right now. As for Labour appointing Varoufakis as an advisor.... mmmmmmm.... not really a shock to anyone as Corbyn is rapidly confirming he is a political fcukwit and seems to be assembling a dream team of advisors (literally!). Edited by Hoof Hearted (01 Mar 2016 11.02am)
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 01 Mar 16 11.12am |
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Greece definitely was a stitch up. I can't believe this but I agree with nickgusset. He's very eloquent and convincing with his arguments, even though a lot of the time he's completely wrong. Not to be scoffed at IMO.
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| DanH SW2 01 Mar 16 11.15am |
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Yep, and Varoufakis is very widely respected.
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| Hoof Hearted 01 Mar 16 11.29am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Yep, and Varoufakis is very widely respected. Explain why? I've demonstrated the opposite view with supporting evidence. Show me what good he has done and why Greece being financially fcuked now isn't in any part down to him even though he was a major player?
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