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Midlands Eagle 21 Mar 16 5.42pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted By all means reform welfare to try and reward the working to stimulate growth and reduce unemployment - but don't cut the benefits of the disabled to fund a cut in CGT that only benefits the well off members of society. If he wanted to look closer at the benefits for disabled people he could make a start by means testing them as not everyone needs the money - and I'm speaking from personal experience
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21 Mar 16 5.42pm

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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

By all means reform welfare to try and reward the working to stimulate growth and reduce unemployment - but don't cut the benefits of the disabled to fund a cut in CGT that only benefits the well off members of society.

If he wanted to look closer at the benefits for disabled people he could make a start by means testing them as not everyone needs the money - and I'm speaking from personal experience

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Mar 16 5.58pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle If he wanted to look closer at the benefits for disabled people he could make a start by means testing them as not everyone needs the money - and I'm speaking from personal experience We all know that can cost more than the savings. It can only take a small sum of money to send someone over the edge. Once a debt spiral starts they may have no wage or wage increase to dig themselves out. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 21 Mar 16 5.58pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If he wanted to look closer at the benefits for disabled people he could make a start by means testing them as not everyone needs the money - and I'm speaking from personal experience

We all know that can cost more than the savings. It can only take a small sum of money to send someone over the edge. Once a debt spiral starts they may have no wage or wage increase to dig themselves out.

COYP

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Mar 16 6.16pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think we might see a possible future leadership challenge from IDS. I totally disagree. I'm meeting fellow Conservatives tonight and no doubt the IDS resignation will be discussed !
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Mar 16 6.16pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think we might see a possible future leadership challenge from IDS.

I totally disagree.

I'm meeting fellow Conservatives tonight and no doubt the IDS resignation will be discussed !

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Seth On a pale blue dot 21 Mar 16 10.04pm
Brilliant stuff. Love it when the Tories rip each other to pieces. Pull up a chair end enjoy the show "You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16
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On a pale blue dot 21 Mar 16 10.04pm

Brilliant stuff.

Love it when the Tories rip each other to pieces.

Pull up a chair end enjoy the show

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 22 Mar 16 8.23am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted I think you've called this correctly Michael. You know my political stance and I'm very uncomfortable with what Osborne tried to do. By all means reform welfare to try and reward the working to stimulate growth and reduce unemployment - but don't cut the benefits of the disabled to fund a cut in CGT that only benefits the well off members of society. Growth is stimulated by the (broad)'middle classes' having a few quid to spare which it turn brings higher employment. The problem is at the top and the way money is distributed, not the bottom. Until this is addressed, which i doubt it will be tbh, nothing will change. But agreed, welfare does need to looked at. Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 22 Mar 16 8.23am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I think you've called this correctly Michael.

You know my political stance and I'm very uncomfortable with what Osborne tried to do.

By all means reform welfare to try and reward the working to stimulate growth and reduce unemployment - but don't cut the benefits of the disabled to fund a cut in CGT that only benefits the well off members of society.

Growth is stimulated by the (broad)'middle classes' having a few quid to spare which it turn brings higher employment.
The problem is at the top and the way money is distributed, not the bottom. Until this is addressed, which i doubt it will be tbh, nothing will change.

But agreed, welfare does need to looked at.

Time to move forward together.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 16 9.36am
Originally posted by -TUX- Growth is stimulated by the (broad)'middle classes' having a few quid to spare which it turn brings higher employment. The problem is at the top and the way money is distributed, not the bottom. Until this is addressed, which i doubt it will be tbh, nothing will change. But agreed, welfare does need to looked at. I think that can be part of the picture, although wouldn't the working classes having a few quid to spend also generate growth. In my experience, the middle classes tend to not spend income, but invest it or otherwise secure it against future spending (kids tuition etc). Thatcher's success I think owed more to 'wealth to the working classes' than middle classes. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 22 Mar 16 9.36am

Originally posted by -TUX-

But agreed, welfare does need to looked at.

I think that can be part of the picture, although wouldn't the working classes having a few quid to spend also generate growth. In my experience, the middle classes tend to not spend income, but invest it or otherwise secure it against future spending (kids tuition etc).

Thatcher's success I think owed more to 'wealth to the working classes' than middle classes.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 22 Mar 16 9.42am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think that can be part of the picture, although wouldn't the working classes having a few quid to spend also generate growth. In my experience, the middle classes tend to not spend income, but invest it or otherwise secure it against future spending (kids tuition etc). Thatcher's success I think owed more to 'wealth to the working classes' than middle classes. I wrote 'broad'. I should've been more specific. My fail. Edited by -TUX- (22 Mar 2016 9.43am) Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 22 Mar 16 9.42am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think that can be part of the picture, although wouldn't the working classes having a few quid to spend also generate growth. In my experience, the middle classes tend to not spend income, but invest it or otherwise secure it against future spending (kids tuition etc).

Thatcher's success I think owed more to 'wealth to the working classes' than middle classes.

I wrote 'broad'. I should've been more specific. My fail.

Edited by -TUX- (22 Mar 2016 9.43am)

Time to move forward together.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 16 11.37am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle If he wanted to look closer at the benefits for disabled people he could make a start by means testing them as not everyone needs the money - and I'm speaking from personal experience I disagree with this. Disability allowance should be available to everyone who qualifies, as it covers the additional costs of incapacity and disability. Once you start means testing, society generally seems to head down the path of making it harder to claim than fairer. Its very hard to determine 'who needs the money' and it generally becomes 'where can we save more money'. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 22 Mar 16 11.37am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If he wanted to look closer at the benefits for disabled people he could make a start by means testing them as not everyone needs the money - and I'm speaking from personal experience

I disagree with this. Disability allowance should be available to everyone who qualifies, as it covers the additional costs of incapacity and disability. Once you start means testing, society generally seems to head down the path of making it harder to claim than fairer.

Its very hard to determine 'who needs the money' and it generally becomes 'where can we save more money'.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 16 11.38am
Originally posted by Seth Brilliant stuff. Love it when the Tories rip each other to pieces. Pull up a chair end enjoy the show makes a change from Labour MPs vs their leader. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 22 Mar 16 11.38am

Originally posted by Seth

Brilliant stuff.

Love it when the Tories rip each other to pieces.

Pull up a chair end enjoy the show

makes a change from Labour MPs vs their leader.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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