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djkfeirufgdfg Croydon 14 Apr 16 9.59pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Combat 18 have had open affiliations with and sympathy for groups who indulged in terror and who have committed crimes of a similar nature as those you mention and more numerous over the years. Those groups would have had many more arrested here in the UK over the years than that of extremists who use Islam as a pretext for their death cult. You could just as well replace 'Combat 18 have' in your first sentence with 'Jeremy Corbyn has' (particularly the IRA and Hamas). As at 31 March 2015, of the 122 in prison for terrorism-related offences, 118 were muslims (add of course those who 'martyred' themselves)
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Croydon 14 Apr 16 9.59pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Combat 18 have had open affiliations with and sympathy for groups who indulged in terror and who have committed crimes of a similar nature as those you mention and more numerous over the years. Those groups would have had many more arrested here in the UK over the years than that of extremists who use Islam as a pretext for their death cult.

You could just as well replace 'Combat 18 have' in your first sentence with 'Jeremy Corbyn has' (particularly the IRA and Hamas).
As at 31 March 2015, of the 122 in prison for terrorism-related offences, 118 were muslims (add of course those who 'martyred' themselves)

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Apr 16 10.14pm
Originally posted by djkfeirufgdfg You could just as well replace 'Combat 18 have' in your first sentence with 'Jeremy Corbyn has' (particularly the IRA and Hamas). As at 31 March 2015, of the 122 in prison for terrorism-related offences, 118 were muslims (add of course those who 'martyred' themselves) Only because of the Good Friday Agreement and the early release of killers and bombers otherwise the majority would be 'Christian' Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Apr 16 10.14pm

Originally posted by djkfeirufgdfg

Only because of the Good Friday Agreement and the early release of killers and bombers otherwise the majority would be 'Christian'

Big chest and massive boobs

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Apr 16 10.20pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Please provide proof of this. A link or links will suffice. It can't be difficult if you have researched the issue in the manner you claim to have. Edited by matt_himself (14 Apr 2016 8.42pm) Lazy [Link] Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Apr 16 10.20pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Please provide proof of this. A link or links will suffice.

It can't be difficult if you have researched the issue in the manner you claim to have.

Edited by matt_himself (14 Apr 2016 8.42pm)

Lazy

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djkfeirufgdfg Croydon 14 Apr 16 10.30pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Only because of the Good Friday Agreement and the early release of killers and bombers otherwise the majority would be 'Christian' Wasn't Barabbas Jewish?
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djkfeirufgdfg

Croydon 14 Apr 16 10.30pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Only because of the Good Friday Agreement and the early release of killers and bombers otherwise the majority would be 'Christian'

Wasn't Barabbas Jewish?

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Apr 16 11.18pm
Originally posted by leifandersonshair Yes, a little. Clearly, you have little interest in a more balanced view. My point is, I have no doubt that, amongst the white, British working class, you will find a significant minority who happily believe all Muslims should be killed or locked up in camps, along with the poofs. The EDL, for example. But a series on this isn't as eye (and headline) catching. Oh, and Garnett being a West Ham supporter? Horrific. I'm pretty sure that's the REAL reason you never see the series reruns nowadays Not true. I'm always interested in other views. More often than not the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I just think it's unhelpful to dismiss one problem by referring to others and suggesting that they are the same or that one somehow equalizes the other. Muslim radicalism will not disappear if we just bury our heads in the sand.
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Yes, a little.

Clearly, you have little interest in a more balanced view. My point is, I have no doubt that, amongst the white, British working class, you will find a significant minority who happily believe all Muslims should be killed or locked up in camps, along with the poofs. The EDL, for example. But a series on this isn't as eye (and headline) catching.

Oh, and Garnett being a West Ham supporter? Horrific. I'm pretty sure that's the REAL reason you never see the series reruns nowadays

Not true. I'm always interested in other views.
More often than not the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
I just think it's unhelpful to dismiss one problem by referring to others and suggesting that they are the same or that one somehow equalizes the other.
Muslim radicalism will not disappear if we just bury our heads in the sand.

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legaleagle 14 Apr 16 11.41pm
Agreed that burying heads in sand not an appropriate option.Neither is stereotyping or demonising or simply ignoring causal factors. The question is how you (1) deal with those committed to terror,but also very importantly (2) how you work so that those within the wider community those committed to terror seek to recruit to/make sympathetic to their point of view,become less susceptible.In short,winning/maintaining "hearts and minds" within that wider community;a key prerequisite of any successful counter-insurgency strategy.
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14 Apr 16 11.41pm

Agreed that burying heads in sand not an appropriate option.Neither is stereotyping or demonising or simply ignoring causal factors.

The question is how you (1) deal with those committed to terror,but also very importantly (2) how you work so that those within the wider community those committed to terror seek to recruit to/make sympathetic to their point of view,become less susceptible.In short,winning/maintaining "hearts and minds" within that wider community;a key prerequisite of any successful counter-insurgency strategy.

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matt_himself Matataland 15 Apr 16 5.28am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Lazy [Link] Michael, you make so many generalisations and unqualified statements that you presume are correct, because you want them to be, that asking you back up your ramblings is a direct result of this behaviour, not laziness. You seem offended when we ask for you back up your arguments with facts, which is funny. Also, from that article, I don't understand what those 'links' are between the loyalists and the far right. It is not explained how far they went and the extent of the relationship. Also, it was in the Guardian, the lefty Daily Mail, never the standard of reasoned reporting. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 15 Apr 16 5.28am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Lazy

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Michael, you make so many generalisations and unqualified statements that you presume are correct, because you want them to be, that asking you back up your ramblings is a direct result of this behaviour, not laziness. You seem offended when we ask for you back up your arguments with facts, which is funny.

Also, from that article, I don't understand what those 'links' are between the loyalists and the far right. It is not explained how far they went and the extent of the relationship. Also, it was in the Guardian, the lefty Daily Mail, never the standard of reasoned reporting.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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djkfeirufgdfg Croydon 15 Apr 16 7.55am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Lazy [Link] "Thompson plan to take over an LVF-aligned flute band" ! Is there no end to their skulduggery? Even flutists are not safe from these right-wing terrorists who are apparently everywhere. Hardly a day goes by without another right-wing bomb-plot being foiled does it?
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djkfeirufgdfg

Croydon 15 Apr 16 7.55am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Lazy

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"Thompson plan to take over an LVF-aligned flute band" ! Is there no end to their skulduggery? Even flutists are not safe from these right-wing terrorists who are apparently everywhere. Hardly a day goes by without another right-wing bomb-plot being foiled does it?

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 15 Apr 16 8.17am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Only because of the Good Friday Agreement and the early release of killers and bombers otherwise the majority would be 'Christian' No they wouldn't. Even if your wildly inaccurate claim bore any semblance to fact, it would be because the Provo's came to the negotiating table and largely ( even you can't deny) stopped bombing the bollocks off the mainland. The difference between the two sets of religious idiots is the Islamic terrorist doesn't want to negotiate, they believe that there way is the only way and that any one else should be eradicated. The Provo's had one target with a sub division English people or establishment with the sub division or Irish loyalists. Islamic terrorists want to burn the f***in world of everyone who doesnt worship their brand of sky fairy. To compare the two groups is to be frank stupid. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 15 Apr 16 8.17am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Only because of the Good Friday Agreement and the early release of killers and bombers otherwise the majority would be 'Christian'

No they wouldn't.

Even if your wildly inaccurate claim bore any semblance to fact, it would be because the Provo's came to the negotiating table and largely ( even you can't deny) stopped bombing the bollocks off the mainland.

The difference between the two sets of religious idiots is the Islamic terrorist doesn't want to negotiate, they believe that there way is the only way and that any one else should be eradicated. The Provo's had one target with a sub division English people or establishment with the sub division or Irish loyalists. Islamic terrorists want to burn the f***in world of everyone who doesnt worship their brand of sky fairy.

To compare the two groups is to be frank stupid.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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matt_himself Matataland 15 Apr 16 8.18am
Originally posted by djkfeirufgdfg "Thompson plan to take over an LVF-aligned flute band" ! Is there no end to their skulduggery? Even flutists are not safe from these right-wing terrorists who are apparently everywhere. Hardly a day goes by without another right-wing bomb-plot being foiled does it? What next? Do we need to be vigilant in case groups of nazi Morris dancers are planning attacks on gay pubs and mosques? This is one sick World. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 15 Apr 16 8.18am

Originally posted by djkfeirufgdfg

What next? Do we need to be vigilant in case groups of nazi Morris dancers are planning attacks on gay pubs and mosques?

This is one sick World.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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johnfirewall 15 Apr 16 8.59am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't think the problem of terrorism and violence is specifically a Muslim thing. Right now, its the main one, granted, but there has kind of been a 'war on Muslims' for the last 15 years or so. That's got fcuk all relevance to Boko Haram and other backwards groups and individuals. You can't take it back to the Crusades.
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15 Apr 16 8.59am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't think the problem of terrorism and violence is specifically a Muslim thing. Right now, its the main one, granted, but there has kind of been a 'war on Muslims' for the last 15 years or so.

That's got fcuk all relevance to Boko Haram and other backwards groups and individuals.

You can't take it back to the Crusades.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Apr 16 10.15am
Originally posted by johnfirewall That's got fcuk all relevance to Boko Haram and other backwards groups and individuals. You can't take it back to the Crusades. No, but it does show that its not actually a problem with Muslims and Islam, but with recent geo-political policy that has led us to this place and that to some extent we have chosen, as a nation, to be involved in a number of conflicts that have escalated our place in the conflict. For better or for worse, we're there now. But there is a difference between the Taliban, IS, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Boko Harem, Hamas etc. We as a nation, need to tread somewhat carefully, when considering Islamist movements and Islamic movements that we don't end up seeing them all as the same thing. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 15 Apr 16 10.15am

Originally posted by johnfirewall

That's got fcuk all relevance to Boko Haram and other backwards groups and individuals.

You can't take it back to the Crusades.

No, but it does show that its not actually a problem with Muslims and Islam, but with recent geo-political policy that has led us to this place and that to some extent we have chosen, as a nation, to be involved in a number of conflicts that have escalated our place in the conflict.

For better or for worse, we're there now. But there is a difference between the Taliban, IS, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Boko Harem, Hamas etc. We as a nation, need to tread somewhat carefully, when considering Islamist movements and Islamic movements that we don't end up seeing them all as the same thing.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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