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jamiemartin721  Reading 16 May 16 12.39pm |
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Originally posted by glory
Clearly even US drug companies are uncomfortable with their drugs being used for lethal injections so, if what you say is true, it's not all that unusual that others would feel the same way. The US don't give two s***s about what the EU thinks about the death penalty there. It just so happens that it's something that's very polarising within US society, so what has happened with Pfizer isn't surprising. I know, and it puts them in such good company as a result. Problem the US has, is that its morally and ethically an indefensible position. It can only maintain public support by using a 'medical' illusion that lethal injection is quick and painless. If they were to return to non-medical methods that are quick and painless (such as beheading or shotgun to the back of the head) the support would fade away. The whole system is built on a false premis, that lethal injection is humane. Oddly, the only really humane ways of killing people are fairly brutal - A quick and relatively painless death generally requires a catastrophic amount of damage in a very short space of time). Whilst some people would support cruel and unusual methods, they're not sufficient in numbers, to maintain system of execution.
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 nairb75  Baltimore 16 May 16 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by glory
Clearly even US drug companies are uncomfortable with their drugs being used for lethal injections so, if what you say is true, it's not all that unusual that others would feel the same way. The US don't give two s***s about what the EU thinks about the death penalty there. It just so happens that it's something that's very polarising within US society, so what has happened with Pfizer isn't surprising. it's not really polarising. wifey is all against it and then some pedder is on the news for doing awful stuff and she says, "fry the ###er." the main problem here is that loads of people on death row are completely innocent. the other issue is that it's not a deterrent to violent crime. so you're executing someone purely for spite/revenge/justice reasons. that's fine if it's your stance but can't be hiding behind some veil that more executions are going to lower crime rates.
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| fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 16 May 16 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Very few drugs I haven't tried in my debauched youth old son. Angry moi? your the one who seems to rant and rave at all and sundry. Maybe therapy would benefit you? No I'll go for the drugs thanks, therapy sounds crap to me.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 May 16 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by nairb75
it's not really polarising. wifey is all against it and then some pedder is on the news for doing awful stuff and she says, "fry the ###er." the main problem here is that loads of people on death row are completely innocent. the other issue is that it's not a deterrent to violent crime. so you're executing someone purely for spite/revenge/justice reasons. that's fine if it's your stance but can't be hiding behind some veil that more executions are going to lower crime rates. I think there are people, who probably deserve to die for their crimes, but that's the emotion speaking. Some people commit truly horrific crimes. But I don't feel that making them live in prison, awaiting the day they are marched into a room, strapped down in front of a crowd of witnesses and then executed for something they probably did 12 years ago is any more just. Especially when that system makes no provision for rehabilitation in the mean time or their current threat to society. Stokie Williams, a gang founder, spent most of his life in prison trying to break the cycle of gangs and spent 10-15 years try to discourage black youth from gangs. By the time he was executed he was blind from diabetes and had to be physically carried from his wheelchair to the gurney. The guy wasn't innocent, he almost certainly was responsible for four murders in the 70s, and convicted in 1979. But by 2005 when they finally got around to executing him, he was an old, blind man, dependent on a wheel chair to get around.
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| glory 16 May 16 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by nairb75
it's not really polarising. wifey is all against it and then some pedder is on the news for doing awful stuff and she says, "fry the ###er." the main problem here is that loads of people on death row are completely innocent. the other issue is that it's not a deterrent to violent crime. so you're executing someone purely for spite/revenge/justice reasons. that's fine if it's your stance but can't be hiding behind some veil that more executions are going to lower crime rates. All good points. I get your wife's way of thinking. I too get caught up in thinking that some deserve to fry but if it came down to ticking a box to approve of capital punishment, or flicking a switch to carry one out, I wouldn't be able to do so. Nor do I think governments should kill their own citizens, partially for the reasons you highlight.
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| nairb75 Baltimore 16 May 16 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by glory
All good points. I get your wife's way of thinking. I too get caught up in thinking that some deserve to fry but if it came down to ticking a box to approve of capital punishment, or flicking a switch to carry one out, I wouldn't be able to do so. Nor do I think governments should kill their own citizens, partially for the reasons you highlight. yeah, it's like me hitting my son for hitting his little brother. violence begets violence. and our criminal system is rigged against poor and/or minorities. have to hold a higher standard for me. yeah, some creeps who probably should be meeting their maker but if keeping them saves one innocent guy, then i go with that plan. american society has a passive comfort with killing; or maybe a lack of respect for life. either way, i try to combat where i can.
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| glory 16 May 16 7.01pm |
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Originally posted by nairb75
yeah, it's like me hitting my son for hitting his little brother. violence begets violence. and our criminal system is rigged against poor and/or minorities. have to hold a higher standard for me. yeah, some creeps who probably should be meeting their maker but if keeping them saves one innocent guy, then i go with that plan. american society has a passive comfort with killing; or maybe a lack of respect for life. either way, i try to combat where i can. 100% agree.
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| lankygit Lincoln 17 May 16 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by fed up eagle
What a pleasant fellow you are. I get more fresh air than you probably do. My view is my view and if you don't like it fair enough, but I wouldn't result in calling someone a moron because I disagree with them. You seem pretty angry, maybe one of these drug companies could supply you with some Valium or something. But "total bellend" on the other hand, is OK?
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| Midlands Eagle 18 May 16 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by fed up eagle
I wouldn't result in calling someone a moron because I disagree with them. It seems that whilst you wouldn't call someone a moron just because you disagree with them you are happy to call people deluded cretins
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| fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 18 May 16 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It seems that whilst you wouldn't call someone a moron just because you disagree with them you are happy to call people deluded cretins Only Angelina Jollie MD, and she is in the public eye.
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