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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 May 16 10.37am

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

I'm sorry but, again, you're simply believing the propaganda proliferated by the Liberal-biased media. They've crafted an image of Trump as a maniacal crowd-reader who is manipulating the mind of the simple voter by espousing lies and deceit. In actuality, these are his real views. The reason i know this? Look at his interviews from the 1980's. His views have NOT changed. He simply embodies the viewpoints of the common man. Which is reflected in polls and the primaries.

Additionally, the media has crafted an image of the trump voter as an ignorant, unintelligent bigot, so that they can guilt people into silence. I will vote for Trump, via absentee ballot. I am in my second year of university, studying political science. My views are my own, and they are resultants of research and original thought.

Liberal Biased media... So that's a media that is biased towards the centre of the political spectrum, that lies between the points of left wing and the right wing.

Liberal Biased Media is a right wing neo-conservative phrase simply used to dismiss criticism irrespective of the content (which is often very valid, when your talking about Mexicans and Muslims in such wild generalisation).

The c**t is a mildly amusing rhetorician and classical popularist. Offering no real manifesto of policies or change, simply adapting his appeal to demographics.

Its the lowest form of politics, sophistry through rhetoric. And that's why people who believe it are stupid.

Build a wall along the border of Mexico, from the people who were against health care for all citizens. Ban on Muslims coming to the US, when the US economy is roughly 20% based on investment and trade with the Saudi's

Its smoke and mirror, like someone p1ssing on you and telling you its raining. The Republican party once actually engaged in politics and social programs, that benefitted the US, and were based on core beliefs held by the party, not what they objected to in others. The once engaged in politics, not partisan sniping and popularism.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 May 16 10.41am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Donald Trump is a self serving politician like almost every politician before him.
Why would any sensible person believe what he says or what any other politician says for that matter?

I'd say more so than the usual. I get why people would vote Republican, what I don't get is why they would vote for Trump over the other candidates who actually have political arguments and engage in political discourse.

My hope is that many of the voters, aren't stupid, and chose to either abstain from voting in the presidential election, protest vote or at least ensure that the make up of congress is such that the presidential influence is restricted in the extreme.

Personally, I think Clinton will win the election, but the republicans will win a majority in congress.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'd say more so than the usual. I get why people would vote Republican, what I don't get is why they would vote for Trump over the other candidates who actually have political arguments and engage in political discourse.

My hope is that many of the voters, aren't stupid, and chose to either abstain from voting in the presidential election, protest vote or at least ensure that the make up of congress is such that the presidential influence is restricted in the extreme.

Personally, I think Clinton will win the election, but the republicans will win a majority in congress.

What baffles me is how a population of 320 million can only produce such useless candidates.
Obama has been a good figurehead but things are about to take a turn for the worse.
As if George W wasn't bad enough, the son of a man who destabilised the Middle East and was alleged by some to have been involved in the assassination of Kennedy.
Now we might have the wife of a former president or a man who makes Greg Stillson look sane.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 May 16 12.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What baffles me is how a population of 320 million can only produce such useless candidates.
Obama has been a good figurehead but things are about to take a turn for the worse.
As if George W wasn't bad enough, the son of a man who destabilised the Middle East and was alleged by some to have been involved in the assassination of Kennedy.
Now we might have the wife of a former president or a man who makes Greg Stillson look sane.

Its notable I think that we have two candidates both of whom have a high media profile. Effectively celebrities, more than maybe people with a long history in politics (Hilary Clinton kind of stepped up as a political heavyweight out of the scandals surrounding her Husband, Trump is the 'US Alan Sugar' on the apprentice. Which shouldn't be too surprising in an age where politics has become increasingly reduced to sound bytes, attacks and financial backing.

Shades of Idiocracy. In the end, for a large extent, the choices for president are controlled by their access to funds.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'd say more so than the usual. I get why people would vote Republican, what I don't get is why they would vote for Trump over the other candidates who actually have political arguments and engage in political discourse.

My hope is that many of the voters, aren't stupid, and chose to either abstain from voting in the presidential election, protest vote or at least ensure that the make up of congress is such that the presidential influence is restricted in the extreme.

Personally, I think Clinton will win the election, but the republicans will win a majority in congress.

the only people who should vote republican are the very wealthy. there's no reason anyone else should. if you say it's b/c of conservative social issues, then that's a lie b/c they do nothing about those except pay lip service. the only things they do actually vote for and do something about are tax cuts for rich people or increasing taxes for the poor and middle class. everything is pure rhetoric. trump is no different. he doesn't care about anyone and isn't going to part with his money for poor people, even if it's the right thing long term.

trump, i find, is actually quite unintelligent. even when guided, he has a poor understanding of the actual issues and the realities of his, what he's now calling, suggestions. very surface level "rabble-rabble" like a typically poor functioning and/or poorly educated voter who's just "mad" and "wants things to change."

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its notable I think that we have two candidates both of whom have a high media profile. Effectively celebrities, more than maybe people with a long history in politics (Hilary Clinton kind of stepped up as a political heavyweight out of the scandals surrounding her Husband, Trump is the 'US Alan Sugar' on the apprentice. Which shouldn't be too surprising in an age where politics has become increasingly reduced to sound bytes, attacks and financial backing.

Shades of Idiocracy. In the end, for a large extent, the choices for president are controlled by their access to funds.

I guess I already knew the answer to my question.

I suppose it also takes a certain type who is willing to go through the dirty process to get power.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I guess I already knew the answer to my question.

I suppose it also takes a certain type who is willing to go through the dirty process to get power.

it's endless fundraising these days. there was a report where members of congress spend almost the entire week "dialing for dollars." they almost have time for nothing else. the overall money spent on this years election will be staggering. i have no idea how we get anyone to do do it. a horrible job.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 May 16 3.43pm

Originally posted by nairb75

it's endless fundraising these days. there was a report where members of congress spend almost the entire week "dialing for dollars." they almost have time for nothing else. the overall money spent on this years election will be staggering. i have no idea how we get anyone to do do it. a horrible job.

Money, prestige and seats at the big table. There is no shortage of income, jobs and jollys for ex-Presidents.

Corruption pays very well. Ask Halliburton.

 


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Originally posted by nairb75

the only people who should vote republican are the very wealthy. there's no reason anyone else should. if you say it's b/c of conservative social issues, then that's a lie b/c they do nothing about those except pay lip service. the only things they do actually vote for and do something about are tax cuts for rich people or increasing taxes for the poor and middle class. everything is pure rhetoric. trump is no different. he doesn't care about anyone and isn't going to part with his money for poor people, even if it's the right thing long term.

trump, i find, is actually quite unintelligent. even when guided, he has a poor understanding of the actual issues and the realities of his, what he's now calling, suggestions. very surface level "rabble-rabble" like a typically poor functioning and/or poorly educated voter who's just "mad" and "wants things to change."

The only choice of vote for an average, not super rich, American is Bernie Sanders.....and he won't be on the ballot.

Billary won't be anywhere near as dangerous as Trump, but the average Josephine in the US will continue to be screwed over for the Fat Cats' benefit.

How people in the US and UK continue to vote for regimes that are actively trying to shaft the average voter is beyond my understanding.

 


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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

The only choice of vote for an average, not super rich, American is Bernie Sanders.....and he won't be on the ballot.

Billary won't be anywhere near as dangerous as Trump, but the average Josephine in the US will continue to be screwed over for the Fat Cats' benefit.

How people in the US and UK continue to vote for regimes that are actively trying to shaft the average voter is beyond my understanding.

nothing he proposes would ever ever come up for vote. would need a few cycles of democrat massive wins for congress (house and senate). that won't happen. i take issue with some of his stances - free higher ed? that's nowhere near realistic. not that i don't value education but it's so complicated. it won't happen and i really don't think it should right now (college costs are outrageous. would be a sin to pass that on to tax payers).

there's no win. it's a mess. campaign finance has wrecked everything - the way any sensible person knew it would. nothing good will happen until that goes away, bernie or other.

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 20 May 16 5.59am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

London is populated mostly by people who don't regard themselves as English......But it's meant to be an English city.

The cockney's left the east end.....More Bangladeshis there than white British now. The culture of London is more a generalised foreign mess than ever before.

Basically this country is fecked.

It's not fecked. It's just globalisation. Happening in most major cities around the world today. I was served an Englsh style Turkish kebab by a Chinese man in Sydney Australia this year. Is that fecked, or is it globalisation?

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 20 May 16 10.54am

Originally posted by nairb75

the only people who should vote republican are the very wealthy. there's no reason anyone else should. if you say it's b/c of conservative social issues, then that's a lie b/c they do nothing about those except pay lip service. the only things they do actually vote for and do something about are tax cuts for rich people or increasing taxes for the poor and middle class. everything is pure rhetoric. trump is no different. he doesn't care about anyone and isn't going to part with his money for poor people, even if it's the right thing long term.

trump, i find, is actually quite unintelligent. even when guided, he has a poor understanding of the actual issues and the realities of his, what he's now calling, suggestions. very surface level "rabble-rabble" like a typically poor functioning and/or poorly educated voter who's just "mad" and "wants things to change."

This is the tragedy of modern US politics. The republican party has become increasingly synonomous with this kind of rhetoric around profit, Merica, no spending, guns and god.

Which is a shame for those republicans who aren't some jacked up god Hitler in a suit spurting hate (i.e. the vast majority of republicans). Politics in the US has been fundamentally stripped of any real political content at the top level.

The likes of Trump would likely never survive as senators with their approach, they'd be marginalised in the republican party to the 'embrassing closet' like Thrugood et al.

 


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