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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 01 Jun 16 10.59am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

The other story about the 2 lions killed when a man jumped in to a lion pit to commit suicide.

What I find shocking is people who suggest that they should have let the man die.

A mentally ill human whose life apparently holds less value than a couple of big cats, how is that okay?

It's sad that the lions got killed and it's sad that the gorilla was shot, but at the end of the day they are animals, a human life is inherently more valuable and people who suggest otherwise need a reality check.

I believe it's called Natural Selection - it's natures way of weeding out the weakest from the genetic pool.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 01 Jun 16 11.44am Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Really?

We've not even touched upon those heartless b*stards that slaughter Elephants and Rhino's for their ivory tusks and horn for sale to Chinese 'Pharmacy' potions.

Some human life is inherently sub human it seems.

Or these nice peaceful buddhists...

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 01 Jun 16 11.46am

Originally posted by becky

I believe it's called Natural Selection - it's natures way of weeding out the weakest from the genetic pool.

No weakest per se, Evolution doesn't specifically filter out the weakest or weakness, or genes, its about their adaptability and suitability to the environment.

The key, of course here is that being a man with mental illness is of no survival benefit when faced with two lions. That said, without mental illness the outcome is pretty similar.

Evolution kills the strong too, as exampled by the rise of mammals, due to an environmental change.

Its worth remembering that mental illness has increased over the centuries, not decreased, so its not evolutionally speaking disadvantageous (and could even be beneficial).

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 01 Jun 16 11.48am

Originally posted by Stuk

Or these nice peaceful buddhists...

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Of all religions, you'd think that Hindu and Buddhism, which actually hold the idea of reincarnation as animals as a real thing, would treat animals better.

But you just know, that some c**t somewhere, will justify the cruelty as being 'good for the animals spirit' when it returns to the kharmic wheel.

Humanity is a failed experiment.

 


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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Jun 16 11.53am Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Lifelong animal fan here and 31 years a non meat-eater.

If that had been my kid I would have shot the gorilla myself.

I agree with Kermit on this one & we don't often agree. My first thought was why didn't they use a tranquiliser gun, but on listening to the expert on why they shot the gorilla I have to agree with all that he said. Also in my opinion this is starting to fall into the 'Princess Diane' syndrome when 300,000 People sign a petition on the unfortunate death of an animal, but turn a blind eye to gun control or of 100s of migrants washing up dead on the beaches of the Mediterranean.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 01 Jun 16 11.54am

In that situation, as the marksman, with the rifle, I'd probably have taken the shot. In the end, its his responsibility and his call, to ascertain the danger posed, and respond accordingly to what he thinks the outcome is likely to be.

Its a regrettable outcome, but its when you see people actually thinking that its somehow the work of god, or blessing or anything other than a f**ked up situation that its disturbing.

The truth is, it should never have come to that. Parenting and Zoo design, led to this outcome. We all know that kids are 'difficult to control, keep an eye on and full of curiosity'. So maybe people should think carefully when considering going to a place with dangerous animals, about keeping their kids under control and letting them run loose.

Otherwise it ends up in tragedy.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 01 Jun 16 11.56am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

"Yeehaw.... we have the right to bear arms and shoot the sh1t out of what the fcuk we like... Taint no one gonna take that right away from us! Ya hear!"

T'weren't a bear, t'were a grilla. So I suppose the arms are longer.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Of all religions, you'd think that Hindu and Buddhism, which actually hold the idea of reincarnation as animals as a real thing, would treat animals better.

But you just know, that some c**t somewhere, will justify the cruelty as being 'good for the animals spirit' when it returns to the kharmic wheel.

Humanity is a failed experiment.

I think it was probably only good for the running and living costs of the monks.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 01 Jun 16 12.11pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

I agree with Kermit on this one & we don't often agree. My first thought was why didn't they use a tranquiliser gun, but on listening to the expert on why they shot the gorilla I have to agree with all that he said. Also in my opinion this is starting to fall into the 'Princess Diane' syndrome when 300,000 People sign a petition on the unfortunate death of an animal, but turn a blind eye to gun control or of 100s of migrants washing up dead on the beaches of the Mediterranean.

Of course they had to shoot the gorilla and people that sign a petition or stalk the family are morons. There was no intent for this to happen.

The kid should never have been in the cage, like the migrants should never be in the Med and the guns should never even be made.

 


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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

The other story about the 2 lions killed when a man jumped in to a lion pit to commit suicide.

What I find shocking is people who suggest that they should have let the man die.

A mentally ill human whose life apparently holds less value than a couple of big cats, how is that okay?

It's sad that the lions got killed and it's sad that the gorilla was shot, but at the end of the day they are animals, a human life is inherently more valuable and people who suggest otherwise need a reality check.

In your opinion. In many cases you are probably right but when you are talking about a religious loon who thinks he is a prophet, strips naked and runs to taunt lions in their own enclosure, cnut deserves to die imo.

Worse still, he survives and now will be even more deluded. "God saved me" etc etc.

Anyone who has ever owned a dog (or any pet most likely) will understand how special animals are. They are loyal with unconditional love. That's more than I can say about 99% of human beings I've ever met.

 


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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 01 Jun 16 2.15pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

I saw this on Facebook I cannot vouch for the authenticity but looks genuine and raises some good points

I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.

Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.

Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.

I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.

I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.

Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.
I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.

 


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View nairb75's Profile nairb75 Flag Baltimore 01 Jun 16 2.25pm Send a Private Message to nairb75 Add nairb75 as a friend

did anyone get a pic of any of the female gorillas? i'd like to see who on here would or wouldn't.

 

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