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Originally posted by nickgusset

Lots of research on the link between advertising and body image and it's effect on the public.

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I could find you loads more. There have been links between eating disorders and media presentation of women.

Once taught a year 6 girl who had bulimia and would make herself sick in order to stay thin.

But never mind the research. Let's just have a pop at Khan. It's nothing to do with Khan's religion.
Londonstan... Really?

So women only wanted to be attractive when advertising was invented I suppose.

And eating disorders will just disappear overnight no doubt.

Yep let's all just eat ourselves to death instead because government advice about healthy eating works so well doesn't it.

This is politics.

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I am deeply uncomfortable with us having a Muslim mayor who encourages the covering up of women.

What's more, our problem is not that we're too thin. As a country we're too fat and getting fatter. If we pander to those who say that their feelings are hurt by this fact we are in serious trouble as a society. Frankly there should be more adverts like this, it might reduce obesity.

 


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A study by A. Chris Downs and Sheila Harrison from Sex Roles: A Journal of Research found that one out of every 3.8 television commercials has a message about attractiveness in it. They determined that viewers receive roughly 5,260 advertisements related to attractiveness per year (or at least 14 per day). Of these messages, 1,850 of them are specifically about beauty.[5]

In a study published in the Journal of Advertising, Marketing professors Mary Martin and James Gentry noted that images of blonde, thin women are predominant in mass media, and that these characteristics are often portrayed as being ideal.[1] Martin and Gentry also found that advertising can "impose a sense of inadequacy on young women's self-concepts." This is because some girls and young women compare their own physical attractiveness to the physical attractiveness of models in ads. They then experience lowered self-esteem if they do not feel that they look like the models in advertisements.[1]

Today's models weigh 23 percent less than the average woman, while the average model two decades ago weighed eight percent less than the average woman. This current media ideal of thinness is met by only about five percent of the population.[15]

Additionally, a study of Seventeen magazine concluded that the models featured in this popular teen magazine were far less curvy than those portrayed in women's magazines. It was also noted that the hip-to-waist ratio had decreased in these models from 1970 to 1990.[1]

In a study published in Sex Roles: A Journal of Research, psychologists Heidi Posavac, Steven Posavac, and Emil Posavac found that many young women will express dissatisfaction with their bodies, particularly with their body weight, when they are exposed to images of thin models who are slimmer than the average woman.[2]

Expressing similar sentiments, an aspiring young model was quoted as saying, "Deep down I still want to be a supermodel... As long as they're there, screaming at me from the television, glaring at me from the magazines, I'm stuck in the model trap. Hate them first. Then grow to like them. Love them. Emulate them. Die to be them. All the while praying the cycle will come to an end."[1]

Academic researchers Philip Myers Jr. and Frank Biocca concluded, in their study published in the Journal of Communication, that a woman's self-perceived body image can change after watching a half-an-hour of television programming and advertising.[7] Researchers Yoku Yamamiya and Thomas F. Cash concluded through their study that "Even a 5 minute exposure to thin-and-beautiful media images results in a more negative body image state than does exposure to images of neutral object."[16]

Likewise, a study by Stice et al. in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology concluded that there is a direct relationship between the amount of media exposure that a young woman has and the likelihood that she will develop eating disorder symptoms.[17]

Martin and Gentry also found that the mass media "creates and reinforces a preoccupation with physical attractiveness in young women," which can lead to bulimia, anorexia, and opting for cosmetic surgery. She also concluded that, "exposure to ultra-thin models in advertisements and magazine pictures produced depression, stress, guilt, shame, insecurity, and body dissatisfaction in female college students."[1]

In a study published in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence, Paxton et al. found body dissatisfaction to be more prevalent in young women than in young men.[18]

Low self-esteem that stems from teenage advertising can have detrimental effects on teenagers. Seventy-five percent of young women with low self-esteem report engaging in negative activities such as "cutting, bullying, smoking, or drinking when feeling badly about themselves."

Teen promiscuity is another possible effect of low self-esteem.[19]


So an attempt to negate the effects of body image in advertisements has nothing to do with trying to alleviate self esteem and problems such as eating disorders many women face has nothing to do with the above. It's because Khan is Muslim.

 

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It is widely accepted that models are so skinny because the fashion industry is run largely by gay men who like their female models to look like young boys.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Lots of research on the link between advertising and body image and it's effect on the public.

[Link]

[Link]

I could find you loads more. There have been links between eating disorders and media presentation of women.

Once taught a year 6 girl who had bulimia and would make herself sick in order to stay thin.

But never mind the research. Let's just have a pop at Khan. It's nothing to do with Khan's religion.
Londonstan... Really?

Nick I don't entirely disagree regarding the pressure from advertisIng BUT any correlation between advertising and eating disorders is not proven. There are theories that film and pops stars have far more influence on people's behaviour than adverts featuring an anonymous model.

Whilst America may well have a problem with eating disorders, it is nothing compared to the obesity problem.

If it is all down to advertising, as Stuk says, where do you draw the line. It's no longer acceptable to have off white wonky teeth, there is pressure to have enamels etc. Not only causing insecurity but encouraging people to slthe me a small fortune to achieve perfection.

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset


[Link]

A study by A. Chris Downs and Sheila Harrison from Sex Roles: A Journal of Research found that one out of every 3.8 television commercials has a message about attractiveness in it. They determined that viewers receive roughly 5,260 advertisements related to attractiveness per year (or at least 14 per day). Of these messages, 1,850 of them are specifically about beauty.[5]

In a study published in the Journal of Advertising, Marketing professors Mary Martin and James Gentry noted that images of blonde, thin women are predominant in mass media, and that these characteristics are often portrayed as being ideal.[1] Martin and Gentry also found that advertising can "impose a sense of inadequacy on young women's self-concepts." This is because some girls and young women compare their own physical attractiveness to the physical attractiveness of models in ads. They then experience lowered self-esteem if they do not feel that they look like the models in advertisements.[1]

Today's models weigh 23 percent less than the average woman, while the average model two decades ago weighed eight percent less than the average woman. This current media ideal of thinness is met by only about five percent of the population.[15]

Additionally, a study of Seventeen magazine concluded that the models featured in this popular teen magazine were far less curvy than those portrayed in women's magazines. It was also noted that the hip-to-waist ratio had decreased in these models from 1970 to 1990.[1]

In a study published in Sex Roles: A Journal of Research, psychologists Heidi Posavac, Steven Posavac, and Emil Posavac found that many young women will express dissatisfaction with their bodies, particularly with their body weight, when they are exposed to images of thin models who are slimmer than the average woman.[2]

Expressing similar sentiments, an aspiring young model was quoted as saying, "Deep down I still want to be a supermodel... As long as they're there, screaming at me from the television, glaring at me from the magazines, I'm stuck in the model trap. Hate them first. Then grow to like them. Love them. Emulate them. Die to be them. All the while praying the cycle will come to an end."[1]

Academic researchers Philip Myers Jr. and Frank Biocca concluded, in their study published in the Journal of Communication, that a woman's self-perceived body image can change after watching a half-an-hour of television programming and advertising.[7] Researchers Yoku Yamamiya and Thomas F. Cash concluded through their study that "Even a 5 minute exposure to thin-and-beautiful media images results in a more negative body image state than does exposure to images of neutral object."[16]

Likewise, a study by Stice et al. in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology concluded that there is a direct relationship between the amount of media exposure that a young woman has and the likelihood that she will develop eating disorder symptoms.[17]

Martin and Gentry also found that the mass media "creates and reinforces a preoccupation with physical attractiveness in young women," which can lead to bulimia, anorexia, and opting for cosmetic surgery. She also concluded that, "exposure to ultra-thin models in advertisements and magazine pictures produced depression, stress, guilt, shame, insecurity, and body dissatisfaction in female college students."[1]

In a study published in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence, Paxton et al. found body dissatisfaction to be more prevalent in young women than in young men.[18]

Low self-esteem that stems from teenage advertising can have detrimental effects on teenagers. Seventy-five percent of young women with low self-esteem report engaging in negative activities such as "cutting, bullying, smoking, or drinking when feeling badly about themselves."

Teen promiscuity is another possible effect of low self-esteem.[19]


So an attempt to negate the effects of body image in advertisements has nothing to do with trying to alleviate self esteem and problems such as eating disorders many women face has nothing to do with the above. It's because Khan is Muslim.

0n balance, it's more likely because he is a lefty. But then, I suspect it will get harder to distinguish between the two.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset


[Link]

A study by A. Chris Downs and Sheila Harrison from Sex Roles: A Journal of Research found that one out of every 3.8 television commercials has a message about attractiveness in it. They determined that viewers receive roughly 5,260 advertisements related to attractiveness per year (or at least 14 per day). Of these messages, 1,850 of them are specifically about beauty.[5]

In a study published in the Journal of Advertising, Marketing professors Mary Martin and James Gentry noted that images of blonde, thin women are predominant in mass media, and that these characteristics are often portrayed as being ideal.[1] Martin and Gentry also found that advertising can "impose a sense of inadequacy on young women's self-concepts." This is because some girls and young women compare their own physical attractiveness to the physical attractiveness of models in ads. They then experience lowered self-esteem if they do not feel that they look like the models in advertisements.[1]

Today's models weigh 23 percent less than the average woman, while the average model two decades ago weighed eight percent less than the average woman. This current media ideal of thinness is met by only about five percent of the population.[15]

Additionally, a study of Seventeen magazine concluded that the models featured in this popular teen magazine were far less curvy than those portrayed in women's magazines. It was also noted that the hip-to-waist ratio had decreased in these models from 1970 to 1990.[1]

In a study published in Sex Roles: A Journal of Research, psychologists Heidi Posavac, Steven Posavac, and Emil Posavac found that many young women will express dissatisfaction with their bodies, particularly with their body weight, when they are exposed to images of thin models who are slimmer than the average woman.[2]

Expressing similar sentiments, an aspiring young model was quoted as saying, "Deep down I still want to be a supermodel... As long as they're there, screaming at me from the television, glaring at me from the magazines, I'm stuck in the model trap. Hate them first. Then grow to like them. Love them. Emulate them. Die to be them. All the while praying the cycle will come to an end."[1]

Academic researchers Philip Myers Jr. and Frank Biocca concluded, in their study published in the Journal of Communication, that a woman's self-perceived body image can change after watching a half-an-hour of television programming and advertising.[7] Researchers Yoku Yamamiya and Thomas F. Cash concluded through their study that "Even a 5 minute exposure to thin-and-beautiful media images results in a more negative body image state than does exposure to images of neutral object."[16]

Likewise, a study by Stice et al. in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology concluded that there is a direct relationship between the amount of media exposure that a young woman has and the likelihood that she will develop eating disorder symptoms.[17]

Martin and Gentry also found that the mass media "creates and reinforces a preoccupation with physical attractiveness in young women," which can lead to bulimia, anorexia, and opting for cosmetic surgery. She also concluded that, "exposure to ultra-thin models in advertisements and magazine pictures produced depression, stress, guilt, shame, insecurity, and body dissatisfaction in female college students."[1]

In a study published in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence, Paxton et al. found body dissatisfaction to be more prevalent in young women than in young men.[18]

Low self-esteem that stems from teenage advertising can have detrimental effects on teenagers. Seventy-five percent of young women with low self-esteem report engaging in negative activities such as "cutting, bullying, smoking, or drinking when feeling badly about themselves."

Teen promiscuity is another possible effect of low self-esteem.[19]


So an attempt to negate the effects of body image in advertisements has nothing to do with trying to alleviate self esteem and problems such as eating disorders many women face has nothing to do with the above. It's because Khan is Muslim.

That report is a good case for women to wear a full burka to hide their appearance. Utter nonsense.

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jun 16 9.55pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Nick I don't entirely disagree regarding the pressure from advertisIng BUT any correlation between advertising and eating disorders is not proven. There are theories that film and pops stars have far more influence on people's behaviour than adverts featuring an anonymous model.

Whilst America may well have a problem with eating disorders, it is nothing compared to the obesity problem.

If it is all down to advertising, as Stuk says, where do you draw the line. It's no longer acceptable to have off white wonky teeth, there is pressure to have enamels etc. Not only causing insecurity but encouraging people to slthe me a small fortune to achieve perfection.

I agree to a point, but the size of the models does give unrealistic expectations to most. What with photoshop as well...

Was it dove who had one of the most successful ad campaigns of recent years because they used 'normal' sized people.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Jun 2016 9.58pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jun 16 9.56pm

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

That report is a good case for women to wear a full burka to hide their appearance. Utter nonsense.

A well thought out and reasoned response to peer assessed research. Excellent that you also managed to border on Islamaphobia as well.


Well done.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Jun 2016 9.59pm)

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

A well thought out and reasoned response to peer assessed research. Excellent that you also managed to border on Islamaphobia as well.


Well done.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Jun 2016 9.59pm)

It's a case of people feeling offended, or at least "lesser" that runs this thought process. The "vitim" culture. They just need to accept what they are, and live accordingly. Like the rest of us. If they can't, they obviously need therapy/counselling of some sort. It shouldn't require restrictions on everybody. Hence the burka reference.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jun 16 10.22pm

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

It's a case of people feeling offended, or at least "lesser" that runs this thought process. The "vitim" culture. They just need to accept what they are, and live accordingly. Like the rest of us. If they can't, they obviously need therapy/counselling of some sort. It shouldn't require restrictions on everybody. Hence the burka reference.

Ah the victim mentality rejoinder, I was waiting for that.

Young people are bombarded with what should be perfect and attainable (through adverts and social media, tv etc with unattainable images). It is bound to have an effect.
We are all different, some, me and you included, can shrug and realise that it's advertising bs. However for many many others, their self image is affected negatively as a result. This is especially damaging for young children who do not have the werewithal to understand the underlying science of advertising. But hey ho, lets spend a fortune on councillors and therapists (who are in short supply and high demand, not forgetting the cost of theraputic treatment to the NHS, individuals or their families), rather than preventing the problem at source.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Jun 2016 10.24pm)

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Ah the victim mentality rejoinder, I was waiting for that.

Young people are bombarded with what should be perfect and attainable (through adverts and social media, tv etc with unattainable images). It is bound to have an effect.
We are all different, some, me and you included, can shrug and realise that it's advertising bs. However for many many others, their self image is affected negatively as a result. This is especially damaging for young children who do not have the werewithal to understand the underlying science of advertising. But hey ho, lets spend a fortune on councillors and therapists (who are in short supply and high demand, not forgetting the cost of theraputic treatment to the NHS, individuals or their families), rather than preventing the problem at source.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Jun 2016 10.24pm)

You haven't answered a key question Nick.

Where do you draw the line.

Most advertising plays on aspirations and uses exaggeration and falsehoods to sell products.

The fact that he has singled out women and their body shape smacks of politics and is not a sensible policy in the interests of health or consumer protection.

I'm off to bed to get my beauty sleep.

 

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