Clearly there is a separate issue with the availability of guns to all and yet another with the monitoring and control of terrorist suspects.

With regard to radical Islam. I believe that we appease these groups at our peril. We must resist their spread by all means necessary.

Surely you see the risk of 'cutting off the head' of this issue? It's difficult to do so without radicalising a whole new generation of terrorists - not exactly resisting the spread.

Arguably monitoring and controlling suspects is a moot point if your going to allow them to legally purchase and aquire weapons.

Some forms, as a priority, but I think if we do, without providing reasonable grounds for change within nations of the middle east, new variants will form within the nest of allied nations like Saudi etc. (which is arguably has exported the forms of radical Islam that have become a problem).

Countries like Iran, and Shia, don't seem so bent on the idea of international Jihad, and whilst raising questionable regimes, do generally seem regionalised and less given to an international scale - It may be possible to work with them.

Even Hezbollah, has largely contained its conflicts to specific conflicts, within the Muslim world of politics and regions of the middle east. Similar with the Taliban. Where necessary, these may be easier to deal with through reasonable economic and social compromise in foreign policy (rather than via conflict).

Groups like IS and Al-Qaeda represent an unusual faceless threat - in that they are functionally international and more ideological driven than regionally motivated.

Problem is, its very difficult to separate these groups out from more legitimate movements that have sprung up in response to tyranny and oppression of Muslims in other nations.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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well, the saudis spending loads of money to educate the muslim world on the wonders of wahabaism is one that isn't discussed. them pushing the boundaries only heightens the fears of the shi'ite/iranians, who have to up the ante of extremsim.

muslims the world over didn't start this until the saudis took it upon themselves to export their very radical version of the religion. now, every nutter has a "legitimate" place to exercise his/her crazy.

There was a Muslim transsexual on the tellybox last night interviewed during the vigil at Old Compton Street. Sounds like she gets shocking treatment from both Muslims and islamaphobic members of the LGBT community.

Whilst I can understand her treatment from Muslims (even though it's terrible) I would have thought that a group that must suffer a fair bit of hate would be more empathetic.

Still it shows that all 'communities' (I hate that word) are a microcosm of society in general.

Edited by nickgusset (14 Jun 2016 9.02pm)

It's not guns that kill but the people who use them. Having said that, because too many Americans provenly use guns with irresponsibility, I'd love to see both NRA and Republicans radically change gun laws in keeping with Obama's wishes...but it's not going to happen anytime soon.

NRA = Three Brass Monkeys!