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 Cucking Funt  Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 2.06am |
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Originally posted by Anerley-Fried-Eagle
There should, and there will be an election before the end of the year. One of the key legacys of the referendum is that not only is the country split, but the voting system simply cant and wont be able to represent this. The main parties will make remaining in the EU a central plank in their manifestos and, hey presto, the result of this referendum will be overturned/ignored/disregarded, all in the name of 'democracy', naturally. And all of us poor fools actually thought we had a say.
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 Nevada Eagle  Carson City, Nevada 27 Jun 16 2.15am |
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Originally posted by mr. apollo
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Jun 16 12.22pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
The main parties will make remaining in the EU a central plank in their manifestos and, hey presto, the result of this referendum will be overturned/ignored/disregarded, all in the name of 'democracy', naturally. And all of us poor fools actually thought we had a say. Hahaha I like your cynicism. I just assumed that we'd end up in EFTA and the EEA, with 'Freedom of Movement' named something else with some small changes that sound big, but ultimately are meaningless, and that would be enough to sell it to the swing that they'd need to ensure leave didn't win a second referendum.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jun 16 12.46pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Hahaha I like your cynicism. I just assumed that we'd end up in EFTA and the EEA, with 'Freedom of Movement' named something else with some small changes that sound big, but ultimately are meaningless, and that would be enough to sell it to the swing that they'd need to ensure leave didn't win a second referendum. "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it"
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| Pikester Worthing 27 Jun 16 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
"If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it" "If voting could change things they'd make it illegal. Stiv Bators.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Jun 16 1.19pm |
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Originally posted by Pikester
"If voting could change things they'd make it illegal. Stiv Bators. I think this is actually why governments abhor referendums, as the power of decision making, and thus controlling the decisions, is taken out of their hands. What governments want, and what the people want are invariably two different things, and in more recent years, the focus has been very much on what is good for government, and getting re-elected has become more important that representation. Will that change now, I hope so. Hopefully the now inevitable Labour leadership will return similar results as the last one, which represented much more the views of the public associated with the Labour party, than the Parliamentary elite - who've basically shown themselves up as total w***ers since losing out to Corbyn (whether you like him or not, he won by a landslide from Labour voters - something that cannot be said of the Parliamentary Labour Party). And has more or less held a steady progress, against predictions, which have had to be 'redefined' in out come to focus on him. Even in the referendum, its only estimated that 37-40% of Labour voted for exit. So unlike Cameron, he can at least say he represented the majority of this party.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jun 16 1.23pm |
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
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| Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jun 16 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think this is actually why governments abhor referendums, as the power of decision making, and thus controlling the decisions, is taken out of their hands. What governments want, and what the people want are invariably two different things, and in more recent years, the focus has been very much on what is good for government, and getting re-elected has become more important that representation. Will that change now, I hope so. Hopefully the now inevitable Labour leadership will return similar results as the last one, which represented much more the views of the public associated with the Labour party, than the Parliamentary elite - who've basically shown themselves up as total w***ers since losing out to Corbyn (whether you like him or not, he won by a landslide from Labour voters - something that cannot be said of the Parliamentary Labour Party). And has more or less held a steady progress, against predictions, which have had to be 'redefined' in out come to focus on him. Even in the referendum, its only estimated that 37-40% of Labour voted for exit. So unlike Cameron, he can at least say he represented the majority of this party.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 1.34pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Do you know what the opinion of 'ordinary' Labour party members is?
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Hahaha I like your cynicism. I just assumed that we'd end up in EFTA and the EEA, with 'Freedom of Movement' named something else with some small changes that sound big, but ultimately are meaningless, and that would be enough to sell it to the swing that they'd need to ensure leave didn't win a second referendum. As I said before this whole thing started, it'll be fixed.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jun 16 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you know what the opinion of 'ordinary' Labour party members is? The press are the least of the problem. Labour party members failing to recognise how out of touch they are is the problem. They are battling against the tide of political change. They want the labout party of the 70's in 2016 and Corbyn is putting his dinosaur ideologies and political ambition before his party and majority public opinion. He is just another self serving politician after all.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Jun 16 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That's irrelevant though, because the nature of democracy is the representation of the electorate, no matter how stupid or out of touch they are. Plus of course the 'opinion' of the majority should be irrelevant, as they're not the people voting or being represented by The Labour Party. I think ultimately this idea represents the failure of a two party system. It might have worked in the past when it was easy to divide people into a Labour Camp, Conservative Camp and even Liberal Democratic Camp. We need a system which represents as many people as possible, not just the 'winner' - And accept that might mean compromise and coalition governments - The priority is the representation of people.
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