Wales and EU Vote
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 Mapletree  Croydon 25 Jun 16 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Because there is more to it than money? Please stop making out that people are stupid because they don't agree with you. First I didn't say the Welsh were stupid, I implied it looked a stupid decision from the outside. It suggests that the Welsh don't recognise the benefits they have been receiving from the EU. No doubt you have read the 18th Brumaire. Not every decision made by the populace is in fact in its interests.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 25 Jun 16 5.47pm |
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Originally posted by topcat
Either people in Wales and Cornwall didn't realise how well they did out of the EU (and the Remain group failed in informing them) or they knew this and voted Out anyway. Has anyone asked them? Yes. I think they were asked on Thursday.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Yes. I think they were asked on Thursday. A few people were stopped on the street days before the ref re: EU spending and there were comments about vanity project spending that had no effect on their lives. The one that will always live on in memory was the lady referring to the dragon statue that benefits nobody and isn't cleaned or appreciated. The week before on Newsnight it looked as though Wales would be more leave than remain.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 25 Jun 16 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
I was surprised with the level of Brexit votes, particularly in N E Wales where I'm from. We had to put up with thousands of scousers for years so a few Poles shouldn't bother them Airbus are a major employer and the wings for their fleet are made in Broughton. No idea what will happen now. It'll either be business as usual or up sticks to somewhere else in Europe with a mature aerospace industry, build a new factory, find qualified staff and spend sh*itloads on premises, tooling etc. Tough choice. Brexit does not have to mean pan-European engineering projects come to an end. Far from it.
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Jun 16 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
A few people were stopped on the street days before the ref re: EU spending and there were comments about vanity project spending that had no effect on their lives. The one that will always live on in memory was the lady referring to the dragon statue that benefits nobody and isn't cleaned or appreciated. The week before on Newsnight it looked as though Wales would be more leave than remain. I can't say I understand why they voted as they did. You can see the infrastructure projects all over Wales, at least in the Southern area that I know. It's hard to see roads as vanity projects, which appear to be the big investments. And I don't think they have a problem with lack of housing or mass immigration, I could be wrong. There must be a reason why they voted as they did and I don't think it was a daft question to say did anyone ask them. We know what they voted but do we really know why.
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johnno42000  25 Jun 16 7.56pm |
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I can only give anecdotal evidence but what I heard on the train seemed to be people who didn't want to leave but were voting leave due to things like NHS waiting times, housing problems, jobs etc. I wonder if, in some cases, they voted leave as a bit of a protest against the Government? I should add there are hardly any immigrants where I live in the Rhondda Valley. Edited by johnno42000 (25 Jun 2016 8.41pm) Edited by johnno42000 (25 Jun 2016 8.42pm)
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| Dweeb East London 03 Jul 16 10.51am |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
I can only give anecdotal evidence but what I heard on the train seemed to be people who didn't want to leave but were voting leave due to things like NHS waiting times, housing problems, jobs etc. I wonder if, in some cases, they voted leave as a bit of a protest against the Government? I should add there are hardly any immigrants where I live in the Rhondda Valley. Edited by johnno42000 (25 Jun 2016 8.41pm) Edited by johnno42000 (25 Jun 2016 8.42pm) Trouble is that will have already become a case of biting the hand that feeds you , and just about anywhere in the UK that wants EU funding beyond about 2019 can kiss that good bye. Also, matched funding which is the EU's preferred way of investing will dry up completely on exit day.
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| johnno42000 03 Jul 16 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Dweeb
Trouble is that will have already become a case of biting the hand that feeds you , and just about anywhere in the UK that wants EU funding beyond about 2019 can kiss that good bye. Also, matched funding which is the EU's preferred way of investing will dry up completely on exit day. No argument from me. If you are from an area which benefits from EU funding I thought it was especially daft to vote out. The one thing I would say is that the things the EU is funding aren't necessarily what the locals want.
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| Hoof Hearted 03 Jul 16 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Yes. I think they were asked on Thursday. Hahaha. You crack me up Dermot.
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bodge  03 Jul 16 9.47pm |
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I am sure if the EU money was making living standards so much better then the vote would have been different.
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| johnno42000 03 Jul 16 10.00pm |
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Originally posted by bodge
I am sure if the EU money was making living standards so much better then the vote would have been different. Possibly but the EU do things in Wales that I was certainly not aware of and no attempt was made by the remain camp to knock on the doors around where I live and make us aware. What quite a few people are wondering (including a few who I know who voted to leave)is will a Tory government ensure the funding provided by the EU be matched when the time comes? A very dangerous gamble IMO.
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SloveniaDave  Tirana, Albania 03 Jul 16 10.13pm |
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whilst being a committed remainer, there is no question that the European Commission has been allowed to increase their power and influence through the Committee of the Regions and the allocation of regional funds. The case for it is that it redistributes revenue to the regions in most need but the political idea behind it is to undermine the supremacy of the nation state by making certain parts of certain countries more dependent upon, and more loyal to, Brussels rather than their own country. This is one area where the members of the EU need to decide whether to rein in the Commission or not as the issue is being faced by almost every Member State.
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