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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 29 Jun 16 10.31am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by NickinOX


The point I was making related to some hunt sabs doing things like destroying property, commuting assault, etc. I was pointing out that I thought Nick had defended people who did that kind of thing, but was condemning this behavior elsewhere. If my thought was right, that was inconsistent of him.

I have no problem with meat eating, nor with shooting vermin like foxes. But I don't see why people need to ride round the country to watch a pack of dogs tear an animal to pieces. We banned bear baiting, due to its being inhumane. I don't see fox hunting as being that different. That being said, Jamie has a point as the line is arbitrary.

Ta. Got you.

Though I would say context is everything when comparing identical sorts of crimes when it comes to judging the perpetrators.

And only some foxes are actually 'vermin'. It doesn't/shouldn't give anyone the right to kill those that are not.

 


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View NickinOX's Profile NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 29 Jun 16 10.34am Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ta. Got you.

Though I would say context is everything when comparing identical sorts of crimes when it comes to judging the perpetrators.

And only some foxes are actually 'vermin'. It doesn't/shouldn't give anyone the right to kill those that are not.

Fair points.

 


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Originally posted by NickinOX


The point I was making related to some hunt sabs doing things like destroying property, commuting assault, etc. I was pointing out that I thought Nick had defended people who did that kind of thing, but was condemning this behavior elsewhere. If my thought was right, that was inconsistent of him.

I have no problem with meat eating, nor with shooting vermin like foxes. But I don't see why people need to ride round the country to watch a pack of dogs tear an animal to pieces. We banned bear baiting, due to its being inhumane. I don't see fox hunting as being that different. That being said, Jamie has a point as the line is arbitrary.

At the end of the day,killing animals for "sport" is unacceptable. I cannot grasp the mind of someone who gains pleasure form such activity. Equally causing unnecessary suffering to animals for any reason is deplorable.
Having said that, I eat meat,i wont stop eating meat, I like meat, but as a consumer I expect the method of killing to be as painless and as trauma free as possible. Sadly many farming practices and religious customs fall well below the standard I would hope for.
I don't want to just turn a blind eye to that, I want improvements and pressure on those responsible to make the necessary changes. That includes the outlawing of Halal practices.

 

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Hoof Hearted 29 Jun 16 10.43am

I think we've got cross party acceptance on this one!

 

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View dannyh's Profile dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 29 Jun 16 10.49am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

Well as a couple of posters on here know.....squaddies are a tough old bunch,my boy just laughs at them,but then he is a big b******....and your second point,i would think someone has said something some time,but as i said it doesnt fit the agenda.

Couple of years back I turned up for armed forces day in uniform (with a couple of friends through supporting Palace, who were also services), I was in my two's (smart uniform), the advertiser was there at the pub who were holding the Armed Forces Day.

Took some nice photo's, grid in the paper etc etc, however one of the lads in the navy got eggs thrown at him whilst he walking to the pub, and some black geezer got out of his car and called me a baby killer !?? Now Im not a small bloke and replied " I have never killed a non combatant....yet." at which point he f***ed off.

Did I report it as a hate crime ...no, and you know why, the bloke from the advertiser said he wouldnt print the story, "cause to much grief" was his exact words.

 


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View dannyh's Profile dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 29 Jun 16 10.59am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

If there was only one thing we will never ever disagree on it's treat animals with respect.

Agreed.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Jun 16 11.51am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Eating other sentient beings is just nature. But what I find e-vil-e is not treating the animal well in its time on earth before the axe falls.

Two whole chickens for a fiver? You just know the poor sods have had to endure Fowlschwitz before hitting the shelves at Tesco.

That's a selective view of nature. The difference for humans, is that there is no actual need to eat other sentient beings, because we've developed a capacity to escape that necessity.

The example of humanity is that its in conflict with nature, but has redefined its own nature and environment to achieve this. Look around your life, and question how much is actually in parallel to nature and feral existence. Not much. The idea that something is in our nature is something we say to justify something that is unethical.

And even in nature, primates don't eat that much meat anyhow, they supplement their diet with meat. We're Omnivores, and there are very few true carnivores in nature. Chimps for example, mostly eat berries, shoots, leaves along with the occasional meat (usually monkeys).

If we were natural we wouldn't be cooking the meat either.

 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 29 Jun 16 11.59am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh

Agreed.

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 29 Jun 16 1.06pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by johnno42000

It was in the Daily Mail as well.

HAhahahahahaha...that made me laugh

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 29 Jun 16 1.33pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

Again, I asked you a question. If you choose to read more into that, so be it.

I think it was more of an insinuation than a question. It's what others read into it that bothers me more.

Edited by nickgusset (29 Jun 2016 1.33pm)

 

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