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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Jul 16 11.13am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I've heard about how Harris Academies have improved the performance and behaviour of pupils. The former Haling Manor on Pampisford Road a good example. A problem school. Now we know why, well partly why.

How many warning do Harris give? How and why are all the pupils still there still behaving? Is it because they know they have to go to Lanfranc and possibly chuck the opportunity away that pupils who go to Lanfranc or the old Haling Manor didn't have?

Is it because the teachers actually have measures in discipline they can practice whereas before they tried to and the child just walked out of the office claiming their independence and to repeat the next day or day after.

Just putting it out there. Teachers had little discipline. Sounds like these academy teachers have a bit to protect the children there to cooperate. Nice flash school. Decent grades, decent future. Stop f***ing about or go to the school built on an old refuse site with class disruptions every 5 minutes if you're lucky.


Harris get rid of 'failing' kids a lot of whom are on the autistic spectrum.

Staff turnover at Harris is a lot higher than average.

 

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View gbox82's Profile gbox82 Flag Meols, Wirral 05 Jul 16 12.15pm Send a Private Message to gbox82 Add gbox82 as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Teachers all over the country will be wiothdrawing their labour on 5th July.

March tomorrow at 11am from Portland Place.
I will be there defending the UK education system.

Here's some reasons why:

1. It's not really about pay.
As a profession I think we are well paid. That is why we have good quality professionals working hard to teach children, inspire them and look after them. But this is about to change.

2. The white paper
The governments latest white paper proposes DEREGULATION of teachers pay and conditions. Currently all local authority employed teachers in England are paid according to the same contract. Like nurses and doctors, teachers have automatic pay progression (so the longer you serve the more you get - an incentive to stay in the profession), pay portability (if we move schools we get the same basic pay - they can't pay us less - this stops a competition between schools for teachers based on money - without it richer schools will always poach good staff from poorer schools) .

3. What is performance-related pay?
The introduction of performance related pay will mean that teachers get paid according to exam results. As a parent I would never want a teacher to look at my child and think 'is he going to wreck my data and stop my pay rise?' We are not working in sales - it is hugely problematic to pay us based on exam results.

4. Why should non-teachers care about teachers pay and conditions?
Deregulation also means that our working hours, holidays, pay, sick pay and maternity pay will be individually decided by the employer - the academy that is. An Academy in Manchester has in its contract that maternity pay will be 'subject to affordability'. Who will become a teacher if the terms and conditions are unattractive? A mum said to me yesterday 'but in my job I don't get good maternity pay - why should I care about teachers?'. My answer is this: public sector pay and conditions set the bar for private sector pay and conditions. If we get screwed you will get screwed too.

5. What's the problem with academies and free schools?
Academies and free schools are businesses. That means their primary concern is money. The government is paving the way for them to become profit-making businesses. Already many academies double up as wedding venues, conference facilities etc. No harm in generating revenue eh? Well only if it's being ploughed back into the school and The children. Let's remember schools are about children aren't they? It seems not. Many academies including Harris academies have recently got in trouble for deliberately excluding 'problem children' and paying local authority schools to take them off their hands - because they wreck the data. How can you publish your excellent GCSE results if some stubborn children just won't make progress! The answer in some academies is to get rid of them - then you don't have to report their results.
So if the money isn't spent on the kids where does it go?


Do a Google search on haberdashers free school account fraud. He ran off with £4million! How did he manage to do that? Answer - because he was only accountable to the board of governors and the head teacher. Local authority schools are overseen by a democratically elected local council. Academies don't have to bother with that level of accountability. And the government also wants to get rid of parent governors. This would mean that academies would only be accountable to themselves. We're talking about millions of pounds of public money. Already there have been many documented cases of fraud in academies and free schools.

6. Qualified teachers V unqualified teachers
Academies and free schools don't have to employ qualified teachers. Unqualified teachers are cheaper of course. But I know which one I want teaching my children.

Is this post all your own work Nick? It's just that I've seen an incredibly similar post on Facebook...

Edited by gbox82 (05 Jul 2016 12.15pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Jul 16 2.01pm

Originally posted by gbox82

Is this post all your own work Nick? It's just that I've seen an incredibly similar post on Facebook...

Edited by gbox82 (05 Jul 2016 12.15pm)

Got me. Said what I would've done.

 

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View gbox82's Profile gbox82 Flag Meols, Wirral 05 Jul 16 2.17pm Send a Private Message to gbox82 Add gbox82 as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Got me. Said what I would've done.

D- Copying is unacceptable.

See me at lunchtime detention ;-)

 

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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 05 Jul 16 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Points 2, 3 & 4 seem to thoroughly rubbish point 1.

You're just annoying parents and keeping kids out of school. Missing 1 day of is critical, or so we're told when it comes to the parents making that choice.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Jul 16 2.37pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Points 2, 3 & 4 seem to thoroughly rubbish point 1.

You're just annoying parents and keeping kids out of school. Missing 1 day of is critical, or so we're told when it comes to the parents making that choice.

Yep. Teachers are on strike annoy parents and lose a days pay to do so.

 

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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 05 Jul 16 2.44pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yep. Teachers are on strike annoy parents and lose a days pay to do so.

You seem to have overlooked the contradiction I pointed out.

Unions can provide strike pay.

 


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View Southampton_Eagle's Profile Southampton_Eagle Flag At the after party 05 Jul 16 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Southampton_Eagle Add Southampton_Eagle as a friend

Teachers are like the French, any excuse to strike and cause inconvenience to the parents who's tax pays their wages.

 

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View twist's Profile twist Flag Miami, Florida 05 Jul 16 3.17pm Send a Private Message to twist Add twist as a friend

Teachers pay does need to be tied to performance in some way, but its not so cut and dry as to look at students exam results.
It does take a village to raise a child, so you can get one school where the parents are completely engaged and children are more likely to ace any test, whereas other schools the parents just are not involved and the teacher has a much harder job of it.

They tried to do this in Florida a couple years back, amazingly the rules for determining performance related pay were made up by a panel of 12 people, only one of which had teaching experience! It did not go down well, and when it was put to referendum it was shot down by the electorate.
But, its coming back in a revised fashion, as Florida learned their lesson and engaged a private company to come up with "fair" rules related to performance pay.

Many teachers are in it for the money and an easy ride, many more got into teaching for the love of it, but now dislike or even hate it.

My 2 boys are 14 and 16 now, had dozens of teachers over the years, 60% of them were excellent, 25% good, but i would say 15% of them just didnt care any more. Its those 15% we have to sort out, either turn them around with monetary incentives, or get them out of the profession.
My 16 year old would be failing school if not for his mother,he had several very disappointing teachers.

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 05 Jul 16 3.25pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yep. Teachers are on strike annoy parents and lose a days pay to do so.

Parents lose money too

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 05 Jul 16 3.29pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Parents lose money too

And they can't get strike pay.

 


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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Jul 16 3.33pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

And they can't get strike pay.

......as Nick is teaching 'One on One' should you not class (pun)that as being a Sub contractor?

 


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