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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Jul 16 10.17pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have it so tough.

I've got out of the classroom. Had enough of it.
It's a cliché about walking a mile in someone else's shoes, but you wouldn't be so flippant if you've taught or lived with someone who has.

 

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Originally posted by Paul67

My son came out of school starving everyday, so we gave up on the free meals and went back to packed lunches.

Have you emailed Nick Clegg?

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 16 5.08pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

As usual, people attack teachers for having wages and holidays rather than noticing that the government cutbacks are to blame for increasingly poor education.
Now, there is an unelected Prime Minister with a weak opposition I'm sure things will get much better.

 


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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 16 Jul 16 7.41am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I've got out of the classroom. Had enough of it.
It's a cliché about walking a mile in someone else's shoes, but you wouldn't be so flippant if you've taught or lived with someone who has.

Nick: you are SO right.

Much not being said about Education with definite increase in teachers leaving the profession due to worsening employment terms and conditions e.g. the older & more experienced staff members being forced out through subjective capability charges because younger are cheaper to recruit (although a growing number drop out after a few years when they fully recognise and resent workload involved) at a time when budgets ARE being pared back. At least 8% cut backs, according to Institute of Fiscal Studies. Much corruption occurring also within our Academies e.g. fiddling of data; HMI etc.

Vacancies aren't even being filled in some schools.

Have a read of the following case study to REALLY appreciate what is going on:

[Link]

I'll be the first to state that other jobs are naturally extremely demanding; poorly paid etc and they should have their employment rights protected as well, as opposed to increasingly abused. But PLEASE in the meantime, don't judge teachers until you at least really know and understand the workings of the profession.

 

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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 16 Jul 16 9.11am Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Nick: you are SO right.

Much not being said about Education with definite increase in teachers leaving the profession due to worsening employment terms and conditions e.g. the older & more experienced staff members being forced out through subjective capability charges because younger are cheaper to recruit (although a growing number drop out after a few years when they fully recognise and resent workload involved) at a time when budgets ARE being pared back. At least 8% cut backs, according to Institute of Fiscal Studies. Much corruption occurring also within our Academies e.g. fiddling of data; HMI etc.

Vacancies aren't even being filled in some schools.

Have a read of the following case study to REALLY appreciate what is going on:

[Link]

I'll be the first to state that other jobs are naturally extremely demanding; poorly paid etc and they should have their employment rights protected as well, as opposed to increasingly abused. But PLEASE in the meantime, don't judge teachers until you at least really know and understand the workings of the profession.

Sporty & Nick
I very much agree with your comments. I have 3 kids who are just setting out on their education journey and am quite alarmed at the judgemental and bureaucratic state of the education system. It strikes me that there is such an emphasis on 'continued judgement' both on the kids in terms of testing and on the teachers in terms of exam results, endless evaluations and paperwork. This all just seemed to increase under the tenures of Gove and Morgan with thes result being less happy, less educated and more overworked kids and teachers. Teaching and learning imo should be enjoyable, and kids should learn by doing. Active participation and happiness levels would be much more indicative of a healthy education than exam results and league tables which are subject to manipulation at the cost of less able kids being chopped, higher dropout rates, low self esteem and rising family problems. This is best achieved by an appropriate exam based system which also gives equal credibility to other life skills e.g team sport participation, community/charity work, culture, music, debating etc i.e business skills that are more valuable than just subjective evaluations and test results. If kids are happy and involved then good teachers, if they are allowed to do their job, will involve them. Its really a society problem as being the judger is somehow seen to be the one in power but we all know that its much easier to sit in the easy chair than to be the one responsible for the job....and some parents in my experience are also guilty in that they seem to think they can outsource responsibility for their kids education solely to teachers and seemingly forget that what they learn at home i.e. attitude, manners, discipline etc and at evening and wknd clubs is much more important. Teachers cant be held responsible for all the social ills of this country and be expected to teach properly....and i think they deserve medals as well as good pay, rights and employment protections....so whilst it is a bit of a pain in the ar$e for me when strike action is taken, i am fully supportive.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Jul 16 9.54am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I'm still teaching like the sad git that I am.....As has been said most teachers are lefties....I'd say about seventy maybe eighty percent...But I'm one of the dissenting few on that score.

That doesn't mean that I don't recognise many of the completely mad aspects of teaching.......Anyone who even for a moment thinks that teaching isn't broken should try it.

There are plenty of vacancies for them to apply for.

But then again....to be honest, a lot of teachers aren't actually very nice people...particularly the managers.

Your usual modern day teacher is a lefty, selfish, self absorbed & righteous, control freak....To a certain extent the job makes them like that....Some are great, some are awful and some know less than sixth form.

To be more precise I know I'm just describing a similar vision of the 'dog eat dog' world of the workplace of many jobs and professions. The so called 'wa*kers' who can excuse their behaviours as just looking to 'get on'.

I just never expected to find so many of them in teaching.

I blame Ken Clarke.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jul 16 9.59am

Thank goodness she's part of the new government...

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 16 Jul 16 10.55am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Thank goodness she's part of the new government...

[Link]

Both Andrea Leadsom and Boris Johnson have been deliberately handed cabinet positions where they'll be challenged to prove their BREXIT populist status - i'll bet that the bookies have them as favourites to be sacked first thereby revealing themselves as the numpties that they really are and how completely out of their depth they have fundamentally become. Happy to drive the electorate off a cliff in the process as well.

Justine Greening as new Education Secretary interests me. She has surely been give the brief to engage with the unions and the workforce at large, and to start her tenure in a process of 'listening'. In the meantime, DfE continues to advertise for additional Academy brokers so as to twists the arms of other councils. This in a week when Sutton Trust and Education Think Tank concluded that Academies were no better than Local Maintained. However will DfE continue to bully Head Teachers via stealthy back door style?

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 16 Jul 16 11.00am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Saturday morning and I forgot to check for mistakes. Will stay behind for detention that consists of forced listening to Nicky Morgan's most convincing speeches to the teaching profession = VERY short detention!

Both Andrea Leadsom and Boris Johnson have been deliberately handed cabinet positions where they'll be challenged to prove their BREXIT populist status - i'll bet that the bookies have them as favourites to be sacked first thereby revealing themselves as the numpties that they really are and how completely out of their depth they have fundamentally become. Happy to drive the electorate off a cliff in the process as well.

Justine Greening as new Education Secretary interests me. She has surely been given the brief to engage with the unions and the workforce at large, and to start her tenure in a process of 'listening'. In the meantime, DfE continues to advertise for additional Academy brokers so as to twist the arms of other councils. This in a week when Sutton Trust and Education Think Tank concluded that Academies were no better than Local Maintained. Will DfE continue to bully Head Teachers via stealthy back door style?

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm still teaching like the sad git that I am.....As has been said most teachers are lefties....I'd say about seventy maybe eighty percent...But I'm one of the dissenting few on that score.

That doesn't mean that I don't recognise many of the completely mad aspects of teaching.......Anyone who even for a moment thinks that teaching isn't broken should try it.

There are plenty of vacancies for them to apply for.

But then again....to be honest, a lot of teachers aren't actually very nice people...particularly the managers.

Your usual modern day teacher is a lefty, selfish, self absorbed & righteous, control freak....To a certain extent the job makes them like that....Some are great, some are awful and some know less than sixth form.

To be more precise I know I'm just describing a similar vision of the 'dog eat dog' world of the workplace of many jobs and professions. The so called 'wa*kers' who can excuse their behaviours as just looking to 'get on'.

I just never expected to find so many of them in teaching.

I blame Ken Clarke.

I agree with you. I did a PGCE and gave it up in the end as most of the other teachers seemed to be under the impression that because they suffered during training you should too.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Jul 16 4.09pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by on me shed son

I agree with you. I did a PGCE and gave it up in the end as most of the other teachers seemed to be under the impression that because they suffered during training you should too.

The way the PGCE is structured is mad....hardest thing I ever did. It's an ineffective way to greet and keep teachers in the profession.

 


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Morgan was a Cameron 'yes wo-man' careerist....happy to see her downfall even if she was slightly shaggable.

Gove went far too much the other way and ended up as a massive back stabber.

I should think there are few tears for either of them.

 


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