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View Eustace H. Plimsoll's Profile Eustace H. Plimsoll Flag Aldershot 17 Jul 16 11.45am Send a Private Message to Eustace H. Plimsoll Add Eustace H. Plimsoll as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Morgan was a Cameron 'yes wo-man' careerist....happy to see her downfall even if she was slightly shaggable.

Gove went far too much the other way and ended up as a massive back stabber.

I should think there are few tears for either of them.

Phwoar...!

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You must have fallen out with shagging.

 


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Originally posted by Eustace H. Plimsoll

Phwoar...!

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You must have fallen out with shagging.

Or you must not really know what 'slightly' means.

For a politician she isn't bad.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 16 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Sporty & Nick
I very much agree with your comments. I have 3 kids who are just setting out on their education journey and am quite alarmed at the judgemental and bureaucratic state of the education system. It strikes me that there is such an emphasis on 'continued judgement' both on the kids in terms of testing and on the teachers in terms of exam results, endless evaluations and paperwork. This all just seemed to increase under the tenures of Gove and Morgan with thes result being less happy, less educated and more overworked kids and teachers. Teaching and learning imo should be enjoyable, and kids should learn by doing. Active participation and happiness levels would be much more indicative of a healthy education than exam results and league tables which are subject to manipulation at the cost of less able kids being chopped, higher dropout rates, low self esteem and rising family problems. This is best achieved by an appropriate exam based system which also gives equal credibility to other life skills e.g team sport participation, community/charity work, culture, music, debating etc i.e business skills that are more valuable than just subjective evaluations and test results. If kids are happy and involved then good teachers, if they are allowed to do their job, will involve them. Its really a society problem as being the judger is somehow seen to be the one in power but we all know that its much easier to sit in the easy chair than to be the one responsible for the job....and some parents in my experience are also guilty in that they seem to think they can outsource responsibility for their kids education solely to teachers and seemingly forget that what they learn at home i.e. attitude, manners, discipline etc and at evening and wknd clubs is much more important. Teachers cant be held responsible for all the social ills of this country and be expected to teach properly....and i think they deserve medals as well as good pay, rights and employment protections....so whilst it is a bit of a pain in the ar$e for me when strike action is taken, i am fully supportive.


I'd be more impressed if some of them spent less time being political activists and more time doing their job properly.

 

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View samprior's Profile samprior Flag Hamburg 17 Jul 16 12.57pm Send a Private Message to samprior Add samprior as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


I'd be more impressed if some of them spent less time being political activists and more time doing their job properly.

haha, you joker.

...no doubt you'd call them spineless if they didn't stick up for their rights.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 16 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by samprior

haha, you joker.

...no doubt you'd call them spineless if they didn't stick up for their rights.

Nope, but I do think they are some of the worst whingers in any profession. Anyone would think they were in the workhouse to hear their protestations.
It's never been any different.

The stronger the union, the more whinging and strikes we get regardless of the working conditions.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jul 16 3.58pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Nope, but I do think they are some of the worst whingers in any profession. Anyone would think they were in the workhouse to hear their protestations.
It's never been any different.

The stronger the union, the more whinging and strikes we get regardless of the working conditions.

Ask yourself this:

Is it the teachers' faults that schools have sold off their fields and shut down their swimming pools?

Have teachers asked that there be continuous examination style assessments and streaming, despite the weight of research that these are not good for education?

Is it the teachers that have created the scramble to find a decent school for your kids/other peoples' kids?

The teachers and the unions are not the problem - the government is the problem. The current government is conservative and has been for some time. Anti-union clap-trap is not the answer. More outcry from the public about the state of education due to government 'reforms' is necessary.
Instead the divide and conquer tactics of the government are pulling the wool over many peoples' eyes and making them blame the teachers. Ever thought that these free schools are probably just an excuse to let the government basically wash their hands of education entirely?

Shame there is no decent alternative to the current government. No doubt a fact that suits plenty while they line their pockets without even needing a mandate from the people.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 16 4.23pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Ask yourself this:

Is it the teachers' faults that schools have sold off their fields and shut down their swimming pools?

Have teachers asked that there be continuous examination style assessments and streaming, despite the weight of research that these are not good for education?

Is it the teachers that have created the scramble to find a decent school for your kids/other peoples' kids?

The teachers and the unions are not the problem - the government is the problem. The current government is conservative and has been for some time. Anti-union clap-trap is not the answer. More outcry from the public about the state of education due to government 'reforms' is necessary.
Instead the divide and conquer tactics of the government are pulling the wool over many peoples' eyes and making them blame the teachers. Ever thought that these free schools are probably just an excuse to let the government basically wash their hands of education entirely?

Shame there is no decent alternative to the current government. No doubt a fact that suits plenty while they line their pockets without even needing a mandate from the people.

As was pointed out on here the other day. Teachers and their unions fall foul of every government, Tory or Labout because they are self serving whingers who think they can hold us to ransom. Being a teacher is a well paid job these days and conditions are very good compared to many other lines of work. If you don't like the teaching environment then don't be a teacher.

I certainly don't always agree with various government policy on education, in fact I think our education is woefully inadequate for many. However, I believe that what ever any government did, teachers and their unions would still complain because at the end of the day they care more about themselves that their students. It would also help relieve strain on the education system if we reduced immigration to a trickle as it should be. Laughably it's usually the same sort of people who complain about conditions in the class room who wanted to suppress all talk of limiting migrant numbers.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jul 16 5.56pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As was pointed out on here the other day. Teachers and their unions fall foul of every government, Tory or Labout because they are self serving whingers who think they can hold us to ransom. Being a teacher is a well paid job these days and conditions are very good compared to many other lines of work. If you don't like the teaching environment then don't be a teacher.

I certainly don't always agree with various government policy on education, in fact I think our education is woefully inadequate for many. However, I believe that what ever any government did, teachers and their unions would still complain because at the end of the day they care more about themselves that their students. It would also help relieve strain on the education system if we reduced immigration to a trickle as it should be. Laughably it's usually the same sort of people who complain about conditions in the class room who wanted to suppress all talk of limiting migrant numbers.

I'm happy enough to limit immigration - even to kick people out- if I believed that would mean better services for people: education, health, housing. It wouldn't though, more likely all be privatised and irretrievably out of any present or future government's control.
Seems like nationalisation of things like steel, investment in the NHS and education were what Brexiters voted for. What is being delivered are ever increasing cut-backs with ever increasing bureaucracy thrown in.
These things are not necessarily of major concern to my personal situation as I am an educator in Ireland. I got out of teaching in England when it became more about paperwork than students. So on your other point; I didn't just put up with the rubbish - I voted with my feet like many others.
When all the teachers are part-timers doing a gap year out of College then perhaps people will be a little more concerned. Agency teachers of low experience who are easy to bully and get rid of already a massive amount.
Teaching is not the well-paid profession you seem to think it is. My wages are double what I got in England and I'm by no means well-off.
I really don't need to apologise for Unions fighting to reverse cut-backs or highlight unnecessary reforms - or even, protect their own and their members' interests. The unions are often inadequate and corrupt, sometimes inept, but at least they stand for something. More than can be said for the current turn-coat politicians; government and opposition.
Shame they can't all be sacked and we could start again. Such massive reforms in governance are necessary that they will never happen within four years so are not on the agenda at all.
Sacking two prats is not a start to reform but generally welcome in Gove's case in particular.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As was pointed out on here the other day. Teachers and their unions fall foul of every government, Tory or Labout because they are self serving whingers who think they can hold us to ransom. Being a teacher is a well paid job these days and conditions are very good compared to many other lines of work. If you don't like the teaching environment then don't be a teacher.

I certainly don't always agree with various government policy on education, in fact I think our education is woefully inadequate for many. However, I believe that what ever any government did, teachers and their unions would still complain because at the end of the day they care more about themselves that their students. It would also help relieve strain on the education system if we reduced immigration to a trickle as it should be. Laughably it's usually the same sort of people who complain about conditions in the class room who wanted to suppress all talk of limiting migrant numbers.

Hrolf: Try looking at the teaching profession this way:

Past and present Government administrations pay far too much stock within flawed Pisa international test results that do NOT provide a level playing field in terms of true academic performance.

Educational legislation has been largely based upon limited civil service research with scant regard to everyday chalkface operation.

Educational initiatives also arrive at greater frequency than your local bus service hence very little time for schools to adjust and attend to the necessary training. One example of political interference can be summed up by 160 directives issued to head teachers within a spell of 6 months. But as long as Department of Education is seen as doing IT'S job!

Schools are now exam factories with children treated as statistics rather than as individuals. Too many schools, esp. primary at Yr 6 SATs stage, abandon many of the foundation subjects to teach to the test. Why? Because their league table and subsequent HMI performance depends upon it all. Schools currently work within an atmosphere of fear. Curricular breadth and balance is a myth.

The paperwork (e.g. data,moderation & assessment) vastly exceeds the time that teachers actually...teach! Expect long nights and lack of a weekend. And that's before they have to attend to organising pupil reports that parents all too often pay lip service to.

The long holidays are also a myth with teaching staff routinely using to catch up on pupil assessment; planning; reorganisation of the classroom; preparing for next cohort of students; displays etc. An increasing number of academies have severely pared back 'staff holiday time' and even insist upon staff attending to maintenance projects e.g. repainting their own classroom. (Further opportunity to cut costs whilst SLT salaries continue to soar)

And yet teachers are NOT blind to the fact that other professions have it hard but there comes a point in time when industrial action is justified when Government behaviour is based upon three brass monkeys attitude.

And why do people like myself still teach? Because that moment of transforming a child's life...that moment of providing them with an invaluable stepping stone within their development...is priceless.

 

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