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Islam's power base is not in the West.

This is a significant point. Christianity has promoted violence and prejudice but has changed in line with secular social and political advancements. No matter what people say about Christian prejudice, they do not advocate slaughter as denominations today, although it is part of Christian history.

I think that this is a major point about the problem of Islamic extremism. The centres of fundamentalist jihadist though are in countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran etc. The practice of holding power is consistently linked to worship of Allah and respect for the Muslim faith.
So for actually a significant proportion of Muslims abroad and here, they do not subscribe to the notion of Western democracy. This is why absurd Sharia courts exist in this country. Muslims have not assimilated fully, unlike people from the West Indies and Irish who seem to have.

The result of this is that some Muslims can be lured into believing what extremist Islamic scholars teach. I think it is actually wrong for us to suggest that the type of Islam ISIS advocate is not a proper form of Islam. I'm sure that using the Koran, its principles and judgements on the West can be backed up. The point is to tackle it head on. How to do this, I cannot say.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Jul 16 11.16am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I wonder if France had put restrictions on Charlie Hebdo it would've stopped that attack and the series of attacks after. I know it goes against the grain of French society but do you think preventing the right to insult rather than the right to freedom of speech was worth risking kick-starting these attacks and risking lives?

I know the attacks now are driven by frustration and hatred from lack of opportunities for young Muslims and that extremists want to divide European and Muslim communities with attacks, but the threat levels have heightened since the Hebdo attacks.

P.S - I am in no way a sympathiser and I struggle to understand how people were/are insulted by pictures of a prophet Muhammed, but some are, and with such religious fervour, why not just respect their belief and leave it? It COULD save some of the problems.

(I remember people comparing prophets to invented characters like Spiderman and I saw their point of view. But if something is so sacred and with so much religious fervour, I would think respecting it would be a wiser option.)

Edited by Rudi Hedman (15 Jul 2016 11.38am)

 


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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

They already target inwardly & outwardly, lets not forget Isis are affiliated with Boko Haram & other groups & people are murdered in their thousands daily by these prehistoric savage c***s.

Schengen is nice and convenient if you live in Europe & regularly commute across borders but lets not dress up just how easy it makes it for Drugs/weapons/people to be smuggled over an impressive amount of landmass.

I agree it does make it easier but smuggling was never that difficult in the first place if you have the manpower and large quantity of material.

Drugs barons expect to lose a percentage of their heroin, etc, on the way but we all know the vast majority reaches its destination whether the 1960-1990's or in Europe today. Same would go with weapons.

There was a flood on the European guns market when the Soviet Bloc collapsed way before ISIS. Would not be surprised one jot if some of those guns have been sold on to their European born 'comrades' now.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Jul 16 11.28am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

It has everything to do with Islam and they laugh at people like you that claim it isnt.

An interpretation of Islam and manipulation of some.

If you knew any Muslims before 9/11 etc who weren't adopting the Western way of life you'll know the caring nature of their faith.

Unfortunately there have been dictators and tyrannical leaders in the Middle East which is somehow acceptable. Certainly we'd be better off with one dictator still in power in Iraq but that box of fireworks has already been set off.

 


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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

It has everything to do with Islam and they laugh at people like you that claim it isnt.


No. It has everything to do with a very specific part of Islam which is adhered to by a tiny but violently in your face dangerous minority.

Forget the other Muslims and the Islam they follow. They are not the real enemy even if we find some aspects of their religion noxious.

 


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Originally posted by EaglesEaglesEagles

Islam's power base is not in the West.

This is a significant point. Christianity has promoted violence and prejudice but has changed in line with secular social and political advancements. No matter what people say about Christian prejudice, they do not advocate slaughter as denominations today, although it is part of Christian history.

I think that this is a major point about the problem of Islamic extremism. The centres of fundamentalist jihadist though are in countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran etc. The practice of holding power is consistently linked to worship of Allah and respect for the Muslim faith.
So for actually a significant proportion of Muslims abroad and here, they do not subscribe to the notion of Western democracy. This is why absurd Sharia courts exist in this country. Muslims have not assimilated fully, unlike people from the West Indies and Irish who seem to have.

The result of this is that some Muslims can be lured into believing what extremist Islamic scholars teach. I think it is actually wrong for us to suggest that the type of Islam ISIS advocate is not a proper form of Islam. I'm sure that using the Koran, its principles and judgements on the West can be backed up. The point is to tackle it head on. How to do this, I cannot say.


I have no problem in having Sharia Courts exist to informally resolve certain restricted issues with the full and free consent of both parties. Why not? The Beth Din has provided such a service for Jews for countless years with the full blessing of the state. Why would it be any different to any other form of alternative dispute resolution, such as specialist commercial arbitration?

Oh and ISIS. I do agree that Islam can be corrupted in any way; the Bible has had its fair share of selective interpretation to justify just about any heinous act you can name. However, the one point that many overlook with that particular brand of nasty, is that it was borne out of the Iraqi Republican Guard that the US coalition defeated, then disbanded leaving thousands of highly trained and well-armed haters of the West, the incumbent Western-backed government and Shi'ite Islam with nothing to do but loaf about looking for a cause to latch on to. Their relative success has provided an appeal across the region and inspired lads from afar to flock to the "Jihad".

After WWII the Allies prosecuted virtually no-one but left the bulk of the National Socialist Government in situ. This continuity allowed the German Government - with US funding - to perform the German "Economic Miracle". While I am loath to admit it given the crimes committed by the Ba'athist government, had the US applied a similar policy in Iraq, it may be that we would not have had decades of internecine genocide and the atrocities of ISIS.

Oh and I agree your last point. I too have no idea how to address the problem we have been left with.

 

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Originally posted by Kermit8

If we are going to generally blame Muslims/Islam for the 1% of nutters who follow the Wahhabi creed to its violent and child murdering ends then we will also have to blame Protestants and Loyalists for IRA bombs/killing back in the day for they too were part of a same religion.

Said it before: the military and world governments have to directly target the extreme and terrorist-inclined sects of Islam. There are Wahhabi schools in places like Indonesia that at this minute are brainwashing children to have a 'martyr's' end.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Jul 2016 10.56am)

Frankly, when 84 people have been butchered my thought are not about offending Muslims.
My concern is for people's safety,especially my own family.

We all know that every Muslim is not sharpening a knife to murder us but I always find it odd that when something like this happens, some people's first reaction is to point this out.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Frankly, when 84 people have been butchered my thought are not about offending Muslims.
My concern is for people's safety,especially my own family.

We all know that every Muslim is not sharpening a knife to murder us but I always find it odd that when something like this happens, some people's first reaction is to point this out.

Not everyone is so calm and rational.

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8


No. It has everything to do with a very specific part of Islam which is adhered to by a tiny but violently in your face dangerous minority.

Forget the other Muslims and the Islam they follow. They are not the real enemy even if we find some aspects of their religion noxious.

Never mind about all this who does what crap. We need practical solutions to this problem.

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Not everyone is so calm and rational.

The point is that I'm more concerned about my own people.

And for me, my own people means my family and friends.

Everything else is secondary.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Never mind about all this who does what crap. We need practical solutions to this problem.

We have top class security services in London and Britian.

Forces are drawing in on ISIS and they've lost plenty of their fighters. Apparently the ISIS threat on the ground is not as fierce as thought. They (or the influenced) are using easy targets.

We are well protected with intelligence. France and Belgium aren't.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

We have top class security services in London and Britian.

Forces are drawing in on ISIS and they've lost plenty of their fighters. Apparently the ISIS threat on the ground is not as fierce as thought. They (or the influenced) are using easy targets.

We are well protected with intelligence. France and Belgium aren't.

We will be in France in a few weeks so it's not just about Britain.
We are at war with fanatics and they have sympathisers spread all over Europe. They need to be removed by all means necessary.

 

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