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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 18 Jul 16 12.26pm

Originally posted by blackpalacefan

I need meaning to watch Edge of Tomorrow as it has rave reviews

Its much better than I thought. He's ok in it, like he's pretty much ok in most films he's in, but I don't think he is capable of giving the kind of performances that make a movie better, or worse. A safe hands actor - not bad, not great.

I don't think he actually has ruined any films either, they're probably s**t for much bigger reasons than having Tom Cruise in them. Same as his 'great films' are films which would have been just as good with someone else in them.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its much better than I thought. He's ok in it, like he's pretty much ok in most films he's in, but I don't think he is capable of giving the kind of performances that make a movie better, or worse. A safe hands actor - not bad, not great.

I don't think he actually has ruined any films either, they're probably s**t for much bigger reasons than having Tom Cruise in them. Same as his 'great films' are films which would have been just as good with someone else in them.

All actors have their limits in terms of what they can pull off. Cruise is box office and that causes a situation where he is cast in roles which could arguably be better played by other actors. In fairness to Cruise, he is a more flexible actor than many action hero types and obviously is very committed to his profession.He does many of his own stunts.
Many objections to Cruise revolve around his physicality. He is a little fella. For a movie like Jack Reacher where the character is already established as a 6 feet 4 tough guy, then that is a problem by generally I thing criticism is a hangover from some of his earlier daft movies like Top Gun, Cocktail and Days of Thunder where he was essentially just girl bait. He is not Eastwood, Heston, Ford etc but these guys are a million years old or dead and they have not really been replaced by actors of a similar stature. Cruise is as good as we have these days.

 

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His best performance is in Tropic Thunder.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 18 Jul 16 1.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All actors have their limits in terms of what they can pull off. Cruise is box office and that causes a situation where he is cast in roles which could arguably be better played by other actors. In fairness to Cruise, he is a more flexible actor than many action hero types and obviously is very committed to his profession.He does many of his own stunts.
Many objections to Cruise revolve around his physicality. He is a little fella. For a movie like Jack Reacher where the character is already established as a 6 feet 4 tough guy, then that is a problem by generally I thing criticism is a hangover from some of his earlier daft movies like Top Gun, Cocktail and Days of Thunder where he was essentially just girl bait. He is not Eastwood, Heston, Ford etc but these guys are a million years old or dead and they have not really been replaced by actors of a similar stature. Cruise is as good as we have these days.

A great actor gives a performance that suspends disbelief. I watched Jack Reacher, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great, but none of that was really the fault of the lead actor. It was a very generic thriller, with a generic lead actor.

That said, Jack Reacher is a hell of a lot better than the dire Taken series of movies, which maybe only saved from being utterly s**t by Liam Neeson (well the first one, the other two are so s**t its almost unbelievable anyone rates them).

Matt Damon, doesn't strike me ever as being a death machine on legs, but he does pull it off in the Bourne series - Which is pretty much the same fair as Jack Reacher(round).

I think actors often get a bad press for the quality of films. Truth I think is, that director, writers and producers ruin most films, rather than the lead actor.

Tom Cruise is like medium cheddar, its ok, its not great, but its also not mild cheddar.

 


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IMO he's done one real good movie "Taps"

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

A great actor gives a performance that suspends disbelief. I watched Jack Reacher, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great, but none of that was really the fault of the lead actor. It was a very generic thriller, with a generic lead actor.

That said, Jack Reacher is a hell of a lot better than the dire Taken series of movies, which maybe only saved from being utterly s**t by Liam Neeson (well the first one, the other two are so s**t its almost unbelievable anyone rates them).

Matt Damon, doesn't strike me ever as being a death machine on legs, but he does pull it off in the Bourne series - Which is pretty much the same fair as Jack Reacher(round).

I think actors often get a bad press for the quality of films. Truth I think is, that director, writers and producers ruin most films, rather than the lead actor.

Tom Cruise is like medium cheddar, its ok, its not great, but its also not mild cheddar.


Does anyone rate them?

What you have is a film like Taken which was greatly elevated by the lead actor and then many films these days where what could have been a good film is ruined by terrible box office driven casting.


There are some fine actors around but very few that have big star quality these days and the fact they they all seem very young as we age does not help I suppose. The other problem is that most main stream films are so dumbed down or effects driven that they are atrocious no matter who stars in them,



 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Thing is, I can't think of any movies in which he's the lead, which wouldn't be just as good with another actor or in which his character commands the performance. Maybe Born on the 4th July, Interview with a Vampire and Far and Away (which isn't a great film).

Rain Man, for example, he's in it, but its really Hoffman that you think 'wow what a performance'.

Risky Business - great film - but you could just drop Mathew Broderick in there (ala Ferris Buellers day off) and know that it probably would be as good or better.

Very much a comfort role actor.

I think Top Gun for one suited him perfectly. That character required a charm, confidence and arrogance that I don't see anybody else from that era having been able to match. He plays that type of role very well for me although I would concede that he isn't especially versatile whereas someone like Brad Pitt who is a similar age and level of fame has shown himself more capable at playing different types of roles.

 


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I'm struggling to think of any film he's been in where he doesn't play an irritating, highly punchable little turd.

 


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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I'm struggling to think of any film he's been in where he doesn't play an irritating, highly punchable little turd.

He does have that quality.

 

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.TUX. Flag 18 Jul 16 10.05pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I'm struggling to think of any film he's been in where he doesn't play an irritating, highly punchable little turd.

Top Gun.


 


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Originally posted by .TUX.

Top Gun.


Funnily enough, that could well be him at his most punchable like ever.

 


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Originally posted by .TUX.

Top Gun.


I'd have said that that was a prime example of when he did.

Edit. You beat me to it CF.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Jul 2016 11.16pm)

 

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