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 Stuk  Top half 19 Jul 16 4.39pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Obviously, with the benefit of hindsight, he shouldn't have been granted Asylum - Problem is, how can you reasonable predict someone will do something in the future? Given he's from Afghanistan, its likely he'd have come via asylum. Economic migration from there is pretty difficult. Given he's from Afghanistan why did he cross half of the middle east and Europe before deciding to claim asylum? It should be done in the first country you arrive in, not the one you fancy going to. From the pictures I highly doubt he arrived as a minor at all. You don't need hindsight to know that ignoring international borders and the rules on seeking asylum wasn't going to cause lots of problems.
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| kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 19 Jul 16 5.14pm |
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biting the hand that..
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| Stuk Top half 20 Jul 16 3.21pm |
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It now seems he lied. He's believed to be from pakistan and not from Afghanistan, which would have given him very little chance of being granted asylum.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Jul 16 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
It now seems he lied. He's believed to be from pakistan and not from Afghanistan, which would have given him very little chance of being granted asylum. Depends on the reasons, where you live, which tribe or who your family were. pakistan is the highest level of claims for asylum in the UK from foreign students in the UK (5326 according to the Daily Express). Its got plenty of reasons to put down on an application and all kinds of internal strife. They are 'technically our ally' but that doesn't make it even a reasonable secure or unoppressive country.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Jul 16 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall
biting the hand that.. Definitely, but its besides the point really, its applicable to him, and some, but its not really the case of most. Plenty of migrants came to the UK, and worked hard to build lives for their families and established roots into the community. Like the minority who bite the hand that feeds, there are plenty of people who are anti-migrant who had every opportunity those people worked day and night to get, and did f**k all with it, but p*ss it up the wall and swagger around doing f**k all to improve their own lives and chances.
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| Stuk Top half 20 Jul 16 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Depends on the reasons, where you live, which tribe or who your family were. pakistan is the highest level of claims for asylum in the UK from foreign students in the UK (5326 according to the Daily Express). Its got plenty of reasons to put down on an application and all kinds of internal strife. They are 'technically our ally' but that doesn't make it even a reasonable secure or unoppressive country. We're talking about Germany here, not pakistani students staying in the UK - both of which are in the commonwealth. He would've been highly unlikely to be granted asylum in Germany (far less likely than an Afghan, hence his lying) and I highly doubt he was even a minor when he arrived. The victims can thank Merkel for her ridiculous statement and open door policy for syrians/afghans, even though their security forces patently can't differentiate them from people from other parts of the world. And when they finally get an EU passport they'll be able to freely move and remain anywhere in Europe they want.
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| kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 20 Jul 16 4.24pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Definitely, but its besides the point really, its applicable to him, and some, but its not really the case of most. Plenty of migrants came to the UK, and worked hard to build lives for their families and established roots into the community. Like the minority who bite the hand that feeds, there are plenty of people who are anti-migrant who had every opportunity those people worked day and night to get, and did f**k all with it, but p*ss it up the wall and swagger around doing f**k all to improve their own lives and chances. I was relating to Germany, not UK. However if you want to bring Uk into it we've got shed loads of indigenous people that do indeed sit on their ass with hands out (they do not swagger around as you mention,they're too lazy or spliffed up)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jul 16 10.24am |
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Originally posted by Stuk
We're talking about Germany here, not pakistani students staying in the UK - both of which are in the commonwealth. Yes, but I was explaining that people claim and are granted asylum from pakistan. Originally posted by Stuk
He would've been highly unlikely to be granted asylum in Germany (far less likely than an Afghan, hence his lying) and I highly doubt he was even a minor when he arrived. Definitely a concern. Its vital that to the best of our abilities we establish that asylum applicants are who they claim to be. I accept that won't always be possible, given the nature of 'getting out of a country which is oppressive may involve subterfuge' and records in countries aren't necessarily very good. Originally posted by Stuk
The victims can thank Merkel for her ridiculous statement and open door policy for syrians/afghans, even though their security forces patently can't differentiate them from people from other parts of the world. Quite agree, Asylum shouldn't be an open door. We, I believe, have an obligation to protect people, but that doesn't mean we should automatically do so without consideration of their claim and just 'release them into the UK' either. I think for some, that's an option, for others we may need to only provide temporary refuge, or protection. Part of the problem with refugee camps is that they're s**tholes rife with crime, lack of facilities etc. Originally posted by Stuk
And when they finally get an EU passport they'll be able to freely move and remain anywhere in Europe they want. True, but then most also aren't a problem either, only a smaller percentage are. Of course they'll need to be granted permanent right to stay to gain an EU passport. I don't think we can just 'shut the doors'. But we also cannot just 'accept at face value'. But neither can we have a system that just drops asylum cases in the UK and just 'lets them get on with it'. We also need to deal with the issues these people may carry with them, as well as giving them sufficient skills to actually do something productive when they are granted citizenship. After WWII the UK had a program for Refugees, that required them to work for a period of time, in 'key areas' the UK needed people in. Often these jobs weren't popular, but the end reward was citizenship. During this time people were fed, educated, their children sent to school, taught English, given temporary accommodation, professional training and paid (all be it poorly - but it gave them some starting capital for when they 'graduated' as citizens.
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| Stuk Top half 21 Jul 16 12.08pm |
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Don't do that multi quote crap, you can't quote it easily and I can't be knackered to bother. Edited by Stuk (21 Jul 2016 12.09pm)
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