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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Jul 16 8.08am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

We already have a thread devoted to black people being killed by police so let's keep this one on immigration to UK issues

Sure, though I didn't bring the topic up first.

 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 Jul 16 8.19am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

?????? I was consistent in my use of the word 'restriction' rather than 'ban'. It is not I who should be looking in the mirror.
Additionally, even if I did say 'ban all Muslims', i would stand behind it. I don't think that the UK economy will collapse without the influx of a few Arabic doctors. The moral high ground doesn't work when people's lives wrest stake

No, you agreed with the original proposition that entry should be be put on hold for Islamic immigration.

"definite yes from me" you said in answer to the OPs question

So that ban would include 3 million US citizens (sportsmen, businessmen, academics,etc), 70,000 Irish citizens, 1 million Canadians, 200,000 Japanese and a massive other country list that goes on and on who also have muslims as part of their population make-up.


They are not all 'arabs'.

 


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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 22 Jul 16 8.36am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

No

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 22 Jul 16 9.23am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

So, you've stopped all muslim immigration. What are you going to do about those homegrown radicalised terrorists that have been responsible for nearly all the major terrorist attacks in recent times?

 

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Originally posted by DanH

So, you've stopped all muslim immigration. What are you going to do about those homegrown radicalised terrorists that have been responsible for nearly all the major terrorist attacks in recent times?

Easy. Make all muslims wear a star of David Hasselhoff.

 


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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 22 Jul 16 9.47am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure, though I didn't bring the topic up first.

I don't think you read the post from Mapletree correctly. He was (obviously sarcastically) calling on banning US police officers because of the number of people they kill, you are the one that assumed he meant black people.

 


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Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

Yes- there are times of world crisis and chaos when political correctness and racial equality must take a back seat, for the sake of the greater good. If even one 'net' life is saved then it must be seen as a good thing. People must prioritize safety over equality, only for a few years until the world is at a less volatile state.

This was the mindset of the US government when interning Japanese citizens, for fear of sleeping support for the Japanese (of which there was proof) in the United States. This decision is criticized today, but how many American lives may it have saved?
Besides, restricting immigration is not as severe as interning an entire race of people.
Definite yes from me

Sorry mate but you simply can't compare the internment of the Japanese with what's happening today - they are entirely different scenarios.
And your talk of 'net deaths' is also a moot point because you can't possibly quantify how many people will die in the future as a result of the marginalisation of all Muslims in the name of today stopping the 'odd terrorist getting through'
The reason these attacks are being carried out by nationals of the countries in which these terrorist live (and were often born) is in part due to exactly this fact- a minute proportion of Muslims feel extremely marginalised by their treatment at the hands of bigots and Islamaphobes and to an extent what they are seeing in the sensationalist media.
Add some serious mental health issues to the mix and what do you get? A lunatic who is fighting a 'holy war' that doesn't YET exist in the name of an organisation that know that the only way they can ever win is for WW3 to come to fruition. Because they are also f***ing insane

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Jul 16 9.52am

Originally posted by 7mins

I'd defo be up for tighter checks on muzzies coming from Isis controlled regions.
I get that people will scream human rights n s***... But if it saves 1 person....

When Isis said they were gonna use the immigration crisis to get terrorists in to Europe, a studio guest at radio 5 said... It's a price worth paying.

Also when the immigrants went on that rapey rampage in Germany, one girl held a sign up afterwards saying "I'd rather have rapists than racists"

The left are almost as dangerous as the right

In fairness, in terms of Germany, racists do have a rather black history, where as rapists haven't really organised a country with a view to a 1000 years of power

It is a price worth paying, IS using refugee crisis to get terrorists in country x - because its a really stupid way to move operatives around. Obviously you have to screen and process all asylum applicants, but I think people seriously misunderstand how many Muslims are not actually anti-IS etc but how many are actually in the front line fighting against Islamists like IS (as well as fleeing from them).

We can't win a war by alienating our key ally in that war.

 


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good watch when you have the time

the kurds are doing a great job they should get more support they already claimed x2 the territory from isis control and are still making progress but they are now fearful of an attack from turkey as the kurds push closer to the border just give it a watch

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 22 Jul 16 9.56am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Banning Muslims – good idea, while we are at it ban Sikhs, they are aggressive buggers and some Muslims might be pretend to be Sikhs. You can’t be too careful. Then the Catholics, don’t forget the Spanish inquisition, 30 year war and of course closer to home Northern Ireland. Also Hitler was a catholic so let’s ban Germans (and Austrians) and their cars too. I am sure there's a few more we could exclude as well

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Jul 16 10.01am

Originally posted by Straightbackup

Sorry mate but you simply can't compare the internment of the Japanese with what's happening today - they are entirely different scenarios.
And your talk of 'net deaths' is also a moot point because you can't possibly quantify how many people will die in the future as a result of the marginalisation of all Muslims in the name of today stopping the 'odd terrorist getting through'
The reason these attacks are being carried out by nationals of the countries in which these terrorist live (and were often born) is in part due to exactly this fact- a minute proportion of Muslims feel extremely marginalised by their treatment at the hands of bigots and Islamaphobes and to an extent what they are seeing in the sensationalist media.
Add some serious mental health issues to the mix and what do you get? A lunatic who is fighting a 'holy war' that doesn't YET exist in the name of an organisation that know that the only way they can ever win is for WW3 to come to fruition. Because they are also f***ing insane

Its important to remember that IS aren't just about blowing up people, they do have a coherent strategic goal, the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate, and see themselves as drawn into a conflict with the west as we see that, rightly, as unacceptable.

Groups like Al-Quaeda and IS don't really give to many f**ks about the UK, other than the NATO engagement in the conflict in Syria. They're much more interested in countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan.

Whilst some who support them from the UK have ideas about a Sharia Law UK under strict Islamic laws, IS core command likely see that as a convenient source of supporters and recruiters - and an means of striking back against the bombings by NATO aircraft.

Of course for us, the ideal situation is for our Jyhadi inspired troublemakers and potential future terrorists, to travel to Syria, and get killed, disillusioned etc. Problem is, those that don't will come back. In some ways it may have been better to not remotely try to prevent people travelling to fight for IS, as it would have made them easier to identify....

 


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