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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Jul 16 10.03am

Originally posted by cpfc84

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good watch when you have the time

the kurds are doing a great job they should get more support they already claimed x2 the territory from isis control and are still making progress but they are now fearful of an attack from turkey as the kurds push closer to the border just give it a watch

Most Kurds are also Muslim, a fact that most people tend to forget when talking about Muslims. In around 75-80% of those fighting IS are Muslim.

 


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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 22 Jul 16 11.16am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

Yes- there are times of world crisis and chaos when political correctness and racial equality must take a back seat, for the sake of the greater good. If even one 'net' life is saved then it must be seen as a good thing. People must prioritize safety over equality, only for a few years until the world is at a less volatile state.

This was the mindset of the US government when interning Japanese citizens, for fear of sleeping support for the Japanese (of which there was proof) in the United States. This decision is criticized today, but how many American lives may it have saved?
Besides, restricting immigration is not as severe as interning an entire race of people.
Definite yes from me

The internment of Japanese-Americans is one of the biggest stains on the US history. It was a deplorable act (and did not just involve Japanese citizens but American citizens - over 60% were American citizens).

An evil act that should never have moved past the bigoted head of whoever dreamed it up.

And subsequent investigations have found there was minimal at best and effectively no proof of disloyalty among Japanese Americans, and that the policy was the product of pure racism. Reparations were rightly paid by the US state to the tune of about $1.6bn

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Jul 16 11.29am

Originally posted by OknotOK

The internment of Japanese-Americans is one of the biggest stains on the US history. It was a deplorable act (and did not just involve Japanese citizens but American citizens - over 60% were American citizens).

An evil act that should never have moved past the bigoted head of whoever dreamed it up.

And subsequent investigations have found there was minimal at best and effectively no proof of disloyalty among Japanese Americans, and that the policy was the product of pure racism. Reparations were rightly paid by the US state to the tune of about .6bn

Edited by OknotOK (22 Jul 2016 11.20am)

It probably hurt the American war effort more than it helped anyone as well. Absurdly stupid decision, for purely ignorant reasons that denied the US access to a huge resource.

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 22 Jul 16 11.32am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Even Trump has moved on from that statement after receiving a report that such a proposal is unworkable.

He was concerned at the time by the huge exodus from Syria and Daesh [probably untruthfully] claiming they had infiltrated the refugees to carry out terror attacks in the West.

Oh and on the OPs question - too ridiculous to dignify a reply.

And I am not remotely PC.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It probably hurt the American war effort more than it helped anyone as well. Absurdly stupid decision, for purely ignorant reasons that denied the US access to a huge resource.

And of course we didn't intern anyone in either War. Crikey, the amount of intelligence and willing, ready-made spies we had at our disposal who we simply transported to some remote dump and held for 5 years. What a waste.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 22 Jul 16 11.52am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

I think this is a shut the gate after the horse has bolted idea in truth.

I believe it is always reviewed retrospectively as a shameful event when particular nationalities are interned or deported during war time. One often loses sight of the actual intention which is to protect the population or the nation. In reality, the value of these events in the past are definitely in question.
As far as I'm aware, there was no "enemy" attack by Germans, Italians etc, living in Britain prior or during WW2 and this is a key difference to current events and the Irish troubles where Muslims and Catholics were involved in attacks on the mainland. For that reason alone, I think there is definitely a case to ban all Muslim immigration. There would be an outcry from the liberals but as a father and husband I place the safety of my family way above politics, religion or the needs of immigrants. The moral arguments are therefore secondary to me.
Could deportation or internment be another option? I think we must be very careful to remember that a very large chunk of the British Muslim population hate ISIS as much as the rest of us. I would be more inclined to encourage Muslims to embrace Western culture but be very harsh in dealing with sympathisers as there can be no IRA style negotiation.
Given the current escalating problems, I would think it wise to an open mind and keep all options on the table.

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Originally posted by silvertop

And of course we didn't intern anyone in either War. Crikey, the amount of intelligence and willing, ready-made spies we had at our disposal who we simply transported to some remote dump and held for 5 years. What a waste.

I believe that we did use such people in WW2 for espionage purposes. Read up about the SOE and its activities.

 


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All rather embarrassing this message board some people's lack of knowledge on the subject is worrying. The generalisation that all Muslims are Arabs is far from true I think the top ten most populated Islamic countries only Iran (Arab/Middle East) is in the list the remainder are from India, Malaysia etc. Generalising all Muslims are Arabs doing wrong is so far from the truth... And for record I have been living in the Middle East for the last 5 years as an immigrant... Interesting reading from both parts of the word on these issues.

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The biggest argument against a ban on Muslim immigration is the practical issues.
How would you deploy such a policy?
Would you be selective about which countries it applied to?
Is it even legal in peace time?

I think there is a stronger case to be selective of individuals rather than an entire religion but the value of such a policy would be hard to assess in practical terms beyond the intuitive idea of less Muslims equals less terrorists. There would be no honour in doing it just to yield to public opinion or win votes.

 

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Originally posted by BritofQatar

All rather embarrassing this message board some people's lack of knowledge on the subject is worrying. The generalisation that all Muslims are Arabs is far from true I think the top ten most populated Islamic countries only Iran (Arab/Middle East) is in the list the remainder are from India, Malaysia etc. Generalising all Muslims are Arabs doing wrong is so far from the truth... And for record I have been living in the Middle East for the last 5 years as an immigrant... Interesting reading from both parts of the word on these issues.

Edited by BritofQatar (22 Jul 2016 12.25pm)

No, I wont have that.

Many of them are British.

 

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Originally posted by topcat

I don't think you read the post from Mapletree correctly. He was (obviously sarcastically) calling on banning US police officers because of the number of people they kill, you are the one that assumed he meant black people.

No I didn't, you obviously didn't read my post correctly. I knew he wasn't making a point about a racial group.

I introduced the racial point and its connection to violence to counter the regular unbalanced propaganda pushed by the left on Police in general and American Police specifically.


Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jul 2016 5.01pm)

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Most Kurds are also Muslim, a fact that most people tend to forget when talking about Muslims. In around 75-80% of those fighting IS are Muslim.

Many Kurds are Muslims with a small m. A lot are also secular Muslims.


Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jul 2016 5.06pm)

 


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