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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It probably hurt the American war effort more than it helped anyone as well. Absurdly stupid decision, for purely ignorant reasons that denied the US access to a huge resource.

Yeah, hugely damaging.....?

These comments are pure revisionism with no knowledge of what might of happened if no internment happened. There is no telling how many attacks it stopped.....from zero to many.

I think its naivete to suggest that America had no reason to worry.


Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jul 2016 8.03pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, hugely damaging.....?

These comments are pure revisionism with no knowledge of what might of happened if no internment happened. They is no telling how many attacks it stopped.....from zero to many.

I think its naivete to suggest that America had no reason to worry.

Of course you're right.
Unfortunately the political correctness of today's society makes Japanese internment an instant 'frown-upon' subject. Many on this site would rather risk the lives of actual natural born citizens than make a difficult, yet controversial decision. It may not be pleasant, but as I said before, times of great turmoil require such an approach.
I don't agree with the argument that, because it's 'indeterminable' how many lives would actually be saved by restricting Islamic immigration, to do so would be a pointless act. The point is you are using your knowledge of the demographics of the typical enemy and making an informed decision in order to keep as many out as possible. It's like saying that air bags are useless because it's impossible to say how many lives they will save in the next year. Make an informed decision based on probability.
I also do not agree that, because the majority of anti-IS fighters are Muslim, to restrict Islamic immigration would alienate that group? Huh? will the anti-IS groups suddenly sympathize with Isis because the UK is securing their borders after Isis affirmed they would send operatives among refugees? I don't think anyone would blame us. The more I think about it, the more it seems like weak-hearted liberal nonsense to avoid this inevitable decision

 


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Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

Of course you're right.
Unfortunately the political correctness of today's society makes Japanese internment an instant 'frown-upon' subject. Many on this site would rather risk the lives of actual natural born citizens than make a difficult, yet controversial decision. It may not be pleasant, but as I said before, times of great turmoil require such an approach.
I don't agree with the argument that, because it's 'indeterminable' how many lives would actually be saved by restricting Islamic immigration, to do so would be a pointless act. The point is you are using your knowledge of the demographics of the typical enemy and making an informed decision in order to keep as many out as possible. It's like saying that air bags are useless because it's impossible to say how many lives they will save in the next year. Make an informed decision based on probability.
I also do not agree that, because the majority of anti-IS fighters are Muslim, to restrict Islamic immigration would alienate that group? Huh? will the anti-IS groups suddenly sympathize with Isis because the UK is securing their borders after Isis affirmed they would send operatives among refugees? I don't think anyone would blame us. The more I think about it, the more it seems like weak-hearted liberal nonsense to avoid this inevitable decision

How is it in any way inevitable? There was a reason the world laughed when Trump proposed this in the States - it's too nonsensical to even consider.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

How is it in any way inevitable? There was a reason the world laughed when Trump proposed this in the States - it's too nonsensical to even consider.

Trump is a self serving politician but the more of us die in attacks the less people will laugh.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

How is it in any way inevitable? There was a reason the world laughed when Trump proposed this in the States - it's too nonsensical to even consider.

The world laughed, did they? Which media sources are you using, out of curiosity? Because I think far fewer people laughed than the media might suggest. I am currently in California, with family, and no one that I've spoken to is laughing about that proposition. Actually, especially after the new attacks today, I would say that it won him many followers.

 


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legaleagle Flag 22 Jul 16 7.06pm

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

Of course you're right.
Unfortunately the political correctness of today's society makes Japanese internment an instant 'frown-upon' subject. Many on this site would rather risk the lives of actual natural born citizens than make a difficult, yet controversial decision.
It may not be pleasant, but as I said before, times of great turmoil require such an approach.

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Forgive my "correctness" let alone "political correctness" but you seem to be somewhat overlooking the fact that the internment was a bulk one of all Americans of Japanese ancestry...including "natural native born citizens" who's families had been in the US for some generations.....or can "natural born citizens" only ever apply to WASPS?

James Ellroy's recent novel "Perfidia" is interesting about the internment.It's fiction but nonetheless shines a light on the essential randomness and corruption underlying the process in Southern California

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 22 Jul 16 10.00pm

Originally posted by Straightbackup

Sorry mate but you simply can't compare the internment of the Japanese with what's happening today - they are entirely different scenarios.
And your talk of 'net deaths' is also a moot point because you can't possibly quantify how many people will die in the future as a result of the marginalisation of all Muslims in the name of today stopping the 'odd terrorist getting through'
The reason these attacks are being carried out by nationals of the countries in which these terrorist live (and were often born) is in part due to exactly this fact- a minute proportion of Muslims feel extremely marginalised by their treatment at the hands of bigots and Islamaphobes and to an extent what they are seeing in the sensationalist media.
Add some serious mental health issues to the mix and what do you get? A lunatic who is fighting a 'holy war' that doesn't YET exist in the name of an organisation that know that the only way they can ever win is for WW3 to come to fruition. Because they are also f***ing insane

Nail on head.

 


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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Nail on head.

I fail to understand. The Muslim who stabbed the women in France for offending him with their comparative state of undress was feeling marginalized by islamophobic society? No. He was annoyed at the cultural differences when it was HE who was in the foreign country. Are we supposed to change our cultural values and limit our freedom of expression to prevent the poor radicals from feeling marginalized? What a democracy. An alien minority can influence the actions of the majority. Some of these posts make me sick

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (22 Jul 2016 10.40pm)

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 22 Jul 16 11.06pm

Originally posted by Straightbackup

Sorry mate but you simply can't compare the internment of the Japanese with what's happening today - they are entirely different scenarios.
And your talk of 'net deaths' is also a moot point because you can't possibly quantify how many people will die in the future as a result of the marginalisation of all Muslims in the name of today stopping the 'odd terrorist getting through'
The reason these attacks are being carried out by nationals of the countries in which these terrorist live (and were often born) is in part due to exactly this fact- a minute proportion of Muslims feel extremely marginalised by their treatment at the hands of bigots and Islamaphobes and to an extent what they are seeing in the sensationalist media.
Add some serious mental health issues to the mix and what do you get? A lunatic who is fighting a 'holy war' that doesn't YET exist in the name of an organisation that know that the only way they can ever win is for WW3 to come to fruition. Because they are also f***ing insane


Excuse me but I do believe you are talking utter b@llocks.

What about all the Indians, Jews, Africans etc who have settled in Europe over the past 50 years. These people you could argue have just as much reason to feel disenfranchised however they don’t result to mindless killings.

Making excuses for these dicks whilst trying to put the blame on society is frankly pathetic.

 


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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Nail on head.

Not really.

It's a reality that extreme interpretations of various Islamic texts give validity to killing the enemies of Islam.

Islam is only a peaceful religion to those who choose that interpretation of it.....unfortunately if you wish to interpret otherwise there are plenty of violent verses and instructions to follow.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jul 2016 11.56pm)

 


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Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

I fail to understand. The Muslim who stabbed the women in France for offending him with their comparative state of undress was feeling marginalized by islamophobic society? No. He was annoyed at the cultural differences when it was HE who was in the foreign country. Are we supposed to change our cultural values and limit our freedom of expression to prevent the poor radicals from feeling marginalized? What a democracy. An alien minority can influence the actions of the majority. Some of these posts make me sick

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (22 Jul 2016 10.40pm)


Mate, the bloke is mentally ill- the only difference is that the agenda from the right wing red-top comics have to point out that he's Muslim. If he was a white, drug abusing alcoholic who turned on his neighbours because his imaginary friend told him to do it would he be doing it because he was Baptised?
Stop trying to justify the irrational actions of a f***ing idiot as a religious cause- it's utter boll***s

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Not really.

It's a reality that extreme interpretations of various Islamic texts give validity to killing the enemies of Islam.

Islam is only a peaceful religion to those who choose that interpretation of it.....unfortunately if you wish to interpret otherwise there are plenty of violent verses and instructions to follow.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jul 2016 11.56pm)

Pardon the irony but Jesus titty f***ing Christ. Have you read a Bible???

 


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