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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jul 16 8.44am | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
80 people mown down in Nice by a truck A French women and her three young daughters stabbed whilst on Holiday in the Alps An attempt to kidnap a British airman A guy indiscriminately stabbing passengers on a German train Mass shooting killing 9 in a Munich shopping mall A suicide boomer killing 80 people in Kabul A pregnant lady stabbed to death today outside a kebab shop And within the last hour we are hearing that at least one person has been killed in a bomb in Nuremberg How many people were killed in Costa Del Crime over the past week Kermit? I guess that’s why you call yourself Kermit – cos you’re a deluded muppet
It's just making even more innocent people suffer. Know your real enemy and all that. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jul 2016 8.50am)
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 25 Jul 16 9.38am | |
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I studied World War pt 2, The Hitler Years at school and I often wondered how I would have reacted when Hitler came to power. Would I have got caught up in the antisemitism and blamed the Jews for everything? Maybe become a willing member of the Hitler Youth? It is kind of where we are now, as Kermit said, there are some Muslims, from various countries, who are complete scum. But to label all Muslims from all strands as scum / terrorists etc. is simply wrong.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jul 16 11.01am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If there was a mass murder every day for the next 12 months, the liberals would find a way to excuse it away. I don't think it can be excused, but it can be seen in a rational context, rather than just as 'Muslim crime'. There is a war on apparently, against Terrorism, and notably IS, who unsurprisingly are also retaliating and inspiring people to take action on their behalf against us (and we've been bombing them etc). Its unacceptable of course, but its a more complex situation than Muslim = Bad, and that kind of mentality feeds itself in to prejudice. Also its important to remember that we do tend to be a bit selective in what we report. For example, the National Socialist Underground conducted murders against Turkish-German citizens for something like 12 years without a single UK newspaper covering the events. Neo-Nazi's in Germany alone have committed 130 or so race-related murders since East and West Unification. In 2015 in Germany there were 580 race related attacks on Asylum seekers and shelters, up from 198 the year before. In October last year 13 Germans were arrested for planning to blow up an Asylum Shelter. Germany has some very serious racial problems, that for a decade went uninvestigated, as the National Socialist Underground managed to 'remain either protected' by intelligence services or 'improperly investigated' for a series of brutal murders of Turkish Muslims across Germany. In a context of a serious problem I think increasing immigration into Germany is a mistake, without first addressing the hostility from Neo-Nazi and Racist movements that have been conducting violence and terror on migrants, particularly Turkish and Arabic migrants, since the late 90s. Under the surface, there are very serious problems in Germany about race, Islam, the Far Right and its not overly surprising that elements of radical Islam are feeding into that, especially following the public disaster that was the National Socialist Underground investigations (largely blamed on the victims by the police).
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farms Thailand / England 25 Jul 16 11.07am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Why should he have not been in the country? This really has nothing to do with terrorism, or foreign policy - it's some nutjob who fell in love with a colleague. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (24 Jul 2016 8.59pm) He was denied asylum ,so he should not have been there.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jul 16 11.42am | |
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Originally posted by farms
He was denied asylum ,so he should not have been there. Pretty much the fairest point. I assume he was either appealing the decision, or being processed out of Germany (or an illegal). It does concern me sometimes how poorly served countries are in terms of actually deporting people who have their claims rejected, and how easily they can 'disappear into a wider society'.
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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jul 16 12.17pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I don't think it can be excused, but it can be seen in a rational context, rather than just as 'Muslim crime'. There is a war on apparently, against Terrorism, and notably IS, who unsurprisingly are also retaliating and inspiring people to take action on their behalf against us (and we've been bombing them etc). Its unacceptable of course, but its a more complex situation than Muslim = Bad, and that kind of mentality feeds itself in to prejudice. Also its important to remember that we do tend to be a bit selective in what we report. For example, the National Socialist Underground conducted murders against Turkish-German citizens for something like 12 years without a single UK newspaper covering the events. Neo-Nazi's in Germany alone have committed 130 or so race-related murders since East and West Unification. In 2015 in Germany there were 580 race related attacks on Asylum seekers and shelters, up from 198 the year before. In October last year 13 Germans were arrested for planning to blow up an Asylum Shelter. Germany has some very serious racial problems, that for a decade went uninvestigated, as the National Socialist Underground managed to 'remain either protected' by intelligence services or 'improperly investigated' for a series of brutal murders of Turkish Muslims across Germany. In a context of a serious problem I think increasing immigration into Germany is a mistake, without first addressing the hostility from Neo-Nazi and Racist movements that have been conducting violence and terror on migrants, particularly Turkish and Arabic migrants, since the late 90s. Under the surface, there are very serious problems in Germany about race, Islam, the Far Right and its not overly surprising that elements of radical Islam are feeding into that, especially following the public disaster that was the National Socialist Underground investigations (largely blamed on the victims by the police). No one sane says that all Muslims are bad. However, all these killings have been committed by Muslims. Neo Nazi groups do not represent a realistic danger to my family, so they are not the focus of my concern.
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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 25 Jul 16 12.35pm | |
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Originally posted by farms
He was denied asylum ,so he should not have been there. I read that he was denied asylum but was given temporary residency until the war in Syria has ended.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jul 16 1.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No one sane says that all Muslims are bad. However, all these killings have been committed by Muslims. Neo Nazi groups do not represent a realistic danger to my family, so they are not the focus of my concern. Frankly, being philosophical is becoming more difficult as each new day brings yet another attack and multiple deaths. Nor do Muslims. In fact, you are statistically speaking, the biggest threat to your family. Terrorism and death/injury are a staggeringly low threat to individual existence and an almost non-existent probability of cause of death or injury. Now Radical Islamists, I do see them as a threat, all forms of fundamentalism, even hypothetically secular fundamentalism, are a threat to society (and unchecked usually result in the end result of people being killed for a very stupid 'truth'). The German Neo-Nazi's I think represent an interesting parallel, because of course you could probably choose to describe then as White or Secular Terrorists or White Christian Terrorists even, but no one ever does.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jul 16 1.02pm | |
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Originally posted by topcat
I read that he was denied asylum but was given temporary residency until the war in Syria has ended. So effectively given what in the UK, is called Temporary leave to stay (which is to say, he was granted temporary asylum due to the war). So not refused asylum at all.
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Stuk Top half 25 Jul 16 1.03pm | |
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Originally posted by topcat
I read that he was denied asylum but was given temporary residency until the war in Syria has ended. No, just given a temporary stay until they could deport him to Bulgaria. I don't think they'll be so flexible or kind in future. People complain when we use detention centres for illegal immigrants or failed asylum seekers that shouldn't be in the country. Edit: Wrong one, this was the suicide bomber not the machete attacker. Edited by Stuk (25 Jul 2016 1.08pm)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jul 16 1.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No one sane says that all Muslims are bad. However, all these killings have been committed by Muslims. Neo Nazi groups do not represent a realistic danger to my family, so they are not the focus of my concern. All those Neo-Nazis were white. Would it be fair to describe them as white terrorism? Or Christian Terrorism?
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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jul 16 1.40pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nor do Muslims. In fact, you are statistically speaking, the biggest threat to your family. Terrorism and death/injury are a staggeringly low threat to individual existence and an almost non-existent probability of cause of death or injury. Now Radical Islamists, I do see them as a threat, all forms of fundamentalism, even hypothetically secular fundamentalism, are a threat to society (and unchecked usually result in the end result of people being killed for a very stupid 'truth'). The German Neo-Nazi's I think represent an interesting parallel, because of course you could probably choose to describe then as White or Secular Terrorists or White Christian Terrorists even, but no one ever does. This is really a discussion about language and the statistical risk of being killed by terrorists. If I had stood outside during a WW2 air raid I might have stood a good statistical chance of being unscathed but that would not have made it wise. I would also have the concern of the following nights bombing in my head every day which would certainly lower my quality of life. I probably wouldn't spend too much time pondering on how many Germans were Nazis or how deluded people were if they hated all Germans as a result. I would ask you how many people will have to die before the liberal crowd admit they were wrong.
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