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jamiemartin721  Reading 26 Jul 16 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Good for the individual yes but not so good for the future Western society as it turns out. We might have just surrender all we have achieved in the last century to barbarism for the sake of a few more holidays, a new car and a couple of nights out a week. I think that pretty much sums up what we've achieved in the last century. That said, by 2090, almost everything that can be produced elsewhere, cheaper, will be, and the only jobs in the UK, will revolve around facilitating wealth management and the like.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 16 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think that pretty much sums up what we've achieved in the last century. That said, by 2090, almost everything that can be produced elsewhere, cheaper, will be, and the only jobs in the UK, will revolve around facilitating wealth management and the like. You forgot the selfie stick.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Jul 16 6.13pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Economically it makes more sense, you don't have to spend 16-20 years educating them, plus there is a reasonable chance they'll f**k off back to their home country, before they get too old and represent a saving in health care costs. The alternatives, such as raising taxation don't sell well to the public. So we keep ourselves in the circle of needing immigrants, immigrants need housing, British couples are put off having kids or having 2 or even 1 kid, let alone 3 because they can't get or afford a home or a home fit for British living and 2-3 bedrooms. We therefore need to import more labour and so it goes on, and the birth rate probably keeps falling, meaning more imported labour. God knows what the country is going to feel like in 40 years time or so, and I'm not talking about immigrants, I'm talking about realistic aspirations of young people. I heard at the weekend the possibility of the EU allowing Britain to stop EU migration into the UK for 7 years. That wouldn't solve much or enough. It wouldn't give us the time to address issues. It's 1.5 election terms and just about 1 economic life cycle.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 16 6.58pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
So we keep ourselves in the circle of needing immigrants, immigrants need housing, British couples are put off having kids or having 2 or even 1 kid, let alone 3 because they can't get or afford a home or a home fit for British living and 2-3 bedrooms. We therefore need to import more labour and so it goes on, and the birth rate probably keeps falling, meaning more imported labour. God knows what the country is going to feel like in 40 years time or so, and I'm not talking about immigrants, I'm talking about realistic aspirations of young people. I heard at the weekend the possibility of the EU allowing Britain to stop EU migration into the UK for 7 years. That wouldn't solve much or enough. It wouldn't give us the time to address issues. It's 1.5 election terms and just about 1 economic life cycle. The two are related. It is the self serving short termism of idiot politicians that have brought us to this. The powers that be have proven decade after decade that they are not acting in the public interest. Damn them, damn them all to hell.....
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 26 Jul 16 9.06pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Good for the individual yes but not so good for the future Western society as it turns out. We might have just surrender all we have achieved in the last century to barbarism for the sake of a few more holidays, a new car and a couple of nights out a week. Are you for real? I thought I was right-wing. But letting in immigrants, for all the problems of multiculturalism and Islam, is hardly "barbarism". They don't go round sacking places. A lot of them are nicer than the natives in my experience. Western Europe managed more than enough barbarism in the 20th century on its own. Anyway, I can (kind of) understand you railing against people not having children and propagating the culture and all that. But how do you chalk it up to the government? What should they have done once people started enjoying the benefits of the contraceptive pill? Ban it?
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| Stuk Top half 26 Jul 16 9.47pm |
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Originally posted by Johnny Eagles
Are you for real? I thought I was right-wing. But letting in immigrants, for all the problems of multiculturalism and Islam, is hardly "barbarism". They don't go round sacking places. A lot of them are nicer than the natives in my experience. Western Europe managed more than enough barbarism in the 20th century on its own. Anyway, I can (kind of) understand you railing against people not having children and propagating the culture and all that. But how do you chalk it up to the government? What should they have done once people started enjoying the benefits of the contraceptive pill? Ban it? Who he should actually be blaming is scientists. We, arguably, do have too much choice and control over both life and death. As for having kids, people who don't require them to supplement a pauper's wage have realised that they're, quite simply, ridiculously expensive to raise in western society. Edited by Stuk (26 Jul 2016 9.48pm)
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Kermit8  Hevon 26 Jul 16 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Who he should actually be blaming is scientists. We, arguably, do have too much choice and control over both life and death. As for having kids, people who don't require them to supplement a pauper's wage have realised that they're, quite simply, ridiculously expensive to raise in western society. Edited by Stuk (26 Jul 2016 9.48pm) Only ridiculously expensive if they have a private education and given every little gadget under the sun or whatever the little brat asks for. Otherwise, with a bit of shopping nous - eBay - and a decent chef in the home and parents with the ability to say 'no' the little gits don't cost a fortune.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 16 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by Johnny Eagles
Are you for real? I thought I was right-wing. But letting in immigrants, for all the problems of multiculturalism and Islam, is hardly "barbarism". They don't go round sacking places. A lot of them are nicer than the natives in my experience. Western Europe managed more than enough barbarism in the 20th century on its own. Anyway, I can (kind of) understand you railing against people not having children and propagating the culture and all that. But how do you chalk it up to the government? What should they have done once people started enjoying the benefits of the contraceptive pill? Ban it? Firstly, I do not think all immigrants are barbarians and if you thought before you posted or even read any of my other posts then that would be fairly obvious. Secondly. I do not blame the government directly for a drop in the birth rate but it is the society they have created that has been part of the reason why people choose to work and self indulge more at the expense of the population. They also knew what was happening years ago and chose to adopt short term policies that tried to avoid losing votes. The dumb asses don't realise or more likely don't care that it will only make the problem worse in the future. As I said, they should have incentivised larger families instead of pursuing policies that would do the opposite.
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| Stuk Top half 26 Jul 16 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Only ridiculously expensive if they have a private education and given every little gadget under the sun or whatever the little brat asks for. Otherwise, with a bit of shopping nous - eBay - and a decent chef in the home and parents with the ability to say 'no' the little gits don't cost a fortune. I do agree, to an extent, but pound for pound the expectations and sometimes demands on what is required for children in this era is far more regulated than for previous western generations. The cost of several stage car seats as one, lazy, example. (I'm typing on my phone) This is why people tend to have fewer children in my opinion. They don't cost the earth as you say, but they're pricey and, well, even though you've only got one, you've still ticked the "kids" box. Edited by Stuk (26 Jul 2016 10.37pm)
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