Hillary, Wikileaks, Russia
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 qlip26  New York City 26 Jul 16 6.42pm |
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unquestionably the latter. let's not forget why sanctions were placed on russia to begin with. i like to think americans value democracy and generally respect international law. in my view the last thing the usa needs is a putin supplicant. but hey, what do i know. one out of every three americans seem to disagree with me.
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| nairb75 Baltimore 26 Jul 16 6.49pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Do you fancy explaining what you're actually on about? As far as I know Putin can't even vote in US elections, let alone rig them. has nothing to do with inside politics in the US or wherever he decides to interject himself in the future. it's an outside gov't attempting to directly affect US elections. doesn't matter on what side he is trying to affect.
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Stuk  Top half 26 Jul 16 8.28pm |
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Originally posted by nairb75
has nothing to do with inside politics in the US or wherever he decides to interject himself in the future. it's an outside gov't attempting to directly affect US elections. doesn't matter on what side he is trying to affect. Any chance of a link to an actual news report about this? At the moment it just sounds like paranoia as to why you're going to probably end up with Trump. And the answer will be that he got the most votes and nothing more.
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| qlip26 New York City 26 Jul 16 8.31pm |
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| Stuk Top half 26 Jul 16 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by qlip26
Thanks, but I mean an actual news story rather than an opinion piece on an obscure website.
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| qlip26 New York City 26 Jul 16 8.55pm |
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sure some conclusions in the piece are circumstantial, but i wouldn't call it an opinion piece. also, slate isn't very obscure in the us. admittedly it does lean left. 1. Trump's debt load has grown dramatically over the last year, from $350 million to $630 million. At the same time, he’s been blackballed by all major US banks. 2. Post-bankruptcy, Trump has become highly reliant on money from Russia -- most of which has over the years become increasingly concentrated among oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin. 3. Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and top advisor, spent most of the last decade as top campaign and communications advisor to Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Russian Ukrainian Prime Minister and then President whose ouster in 2014 led to the on-going crisis and proxy war in Ukraine. Yanukovych was and remains a close ally of Putin. 4. Trump's foreign policy advisor on Russia and Europe is Carter Page, a man whose entire professional career has revolved around investments in Russia and who has deep and continuing financial and employment ties to Gazprom, which, in turn, is part of Putin’s financial empire. 5. Over the course of the last year, Putin has aligned all Russian state controlled media behind Trump. 6. The Trump Camp was totally indifferent to the Republican Party platform, with one exception: They changed the party platform to eliminate assistance to Ukraine against Russian military operations in eastern Ukraine. Not incidentally, this is the single most important issue to Putin. 7. Trump is also suggesting the US and thus NATO might not come to the defense of NATO member states in the Baltics in the case of a Russian invasion -- another important issue to Putin.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Jul 16 9.07pm |
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There's been phishing emails sent out to govt reps in the US and Europe from someone, somewhere in Russia. It's to obtain information if they click on the link and enter their info. There is no evidence of any or any possibility of Putin trying or being able to rig an election in America.
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| nairb75 Baltimore 26 Jul 16 9.48pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Thanks, but I mean an actual news story rather than an opinion piece on an obscure website. you mean like this one? one of the cited sources, mandiant, is very reputable.
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| Stuk Top half 26 Jul 16 10.02pm |
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Originally posted by nairb75
you mean like this one? one of the cited sources, mandiant, is very reputable. That is a news website but that article tells me, nor proves, anything it claims. It doesn't even say how their assumption that the hackers mentioned are linked to the Russian government. Or what they have indeed hacked that is so damaging, to someone I can't seem to see but that I assume it's the Democrats in general? There must be a genuine news article out there, somewhere, that actually will explain what on earth this thread is about.
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| qlip26 New York City 26 Jul 16 10.54pm |
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at face value, yes. it has not been proven that the hack was conducted with support or guidance from the russian government. and i certainly agree that the material also doesn't reveal any sort of illegality. that said i don't want to rule out the possibility that putin will do all he can to influence our election. he has a real opportunity here to put a friend in the white house who has expressed a willingness to declaw nato. i am concerned with due cause. also this kind of stuff isn't without precedent. netanyahu campaigned for romney four years ago.
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| nairb75 Baltimore 27 Jul 16 5.17am |
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Originally posted by Stuk
That is a news website but that article tells me, nor proves, anything it claims. It doesn't even say how their assumption that the hackers mentioned are linked to the Russian government. Or what they have indeed hacked that is so damaging, to someone I can't seem to see but that I assume it's the Democrats in general? There must be a genuine news article out there, somewhere, that actually will explain what on earth this thread is about. you're a disbeliever. for someone like you, there is no proof. i could video the hacker pushing the keystrokes at the website and you'd say, "that's a fake website!!!" you aren't interested in the truth here. that's not ok. the very point is that the side you're on, will be affected moving forward. the trumps over here are all happy for this minute. but the reality is the sovereignty and elections are now compromised by a foreign power with a specific agenda. just wait. the time will come for your outrage. be aware that this is all no joke. this is how wars will be fought. this is how real people will lose their lives and democracy will be lost. but to update the situation, from a "real news" article, here you go:http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/politics/spy-agency-consensus-grows-that-russia-hacked-dnc.html?_r=1&referer=
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| Stuk Top half 27 Jul 16 12.21pm |
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Originally posted by nairb75
you're a disbeliever. for someone like you, there is no proof. i could video the hacker pushing the keystrokes at the website and you'd say, "that's a fake website!!!" you aren't interested in the truth here. that's not ok. the very point is that the side you're on, will be affected moving forward. the trumps over here are all happy for this minute. but the reality is the sovereignty and elections are now compromised by a foreign power with a specific agenda. just wait. the time will come for your outrage. be aware that this is all no joke. this is how wars will be fought. this is how real people will lose their lives and democracy will be lost. but to update the situation, from a "real news" article, here you go:http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/politics/spy-agency-consensus-grows-that-russia-hacked-dnc.html?_r=1&referer= Don't be such a conspiracy theory nutter. I couldn't even work out what the story was about from the ramblings in this thread. I've now found a real news article that explains the entire thing. [Link] And I stand by my first post now I've read it. Nothing but preemptive excuses for why Trump may become President.
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