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View Michaelawt85's Profile Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 12 Aug 16 9.45am Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Seen this on the news this morning. A mental health tribunal have declared Peter Sutcliffe is no longer mentally ill and can be moved from a psychiatric hospital to prison.

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View stayloa's Profile stayloa Flag Beckenham 12 Aug 16 9.53am Send a Private Message to stayloa Add stayloa as a friend

Possible a bit of a non-story.

Huge savings if he can be moved back to a prison and he'll never see freedom because of the severity of his crimes.

The BBC article mentions a psych reviewer speaking with him in the 80s saying he wasn't schizophrenic at all; perhaps just another ploy to get an easy ride in mental health vs prison?

If he's no longer a mental health risk then prison is the correct place for him and we can save some public money.

 

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View Michaelawt85's Profile Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 12 Aug 16 10.17am Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

I have read articles on this stating that he wasn't claiming anything about being mentally ill or hearing voices at the time of his arrest. This was only brought up later and at the time it very nearly meant the full severity of his crimes weren't heard in the public domain. If this was the case how the hell has he managed to pull it off for all these years while in hospital

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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 12 Aug 16 10.48am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

Originally posted by stayloa

Possible a bit of a non-story.

Huge savings if he can be moved back to a prison and he'll never see freedom because of the severity of his crimes.

The BBC article mentions a psych reviewer speaking with him in the 80s saying he wasn't schizophrenic at all; perhaps just another ploy to get an easy ride in mental health vs prison?

If he's no longer a mental health risk then prison is the correct place for him and we can save some public money.

Completely agree, although I'm not convinced that he was ever a mental health risk.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Aug 16 10.54am

Its not entirely unheard of for psychiatric patients in aging to experience the loss of symptoms. For example, in anti-social personality disorder, there is a strong tendency for the individuals lack of empathy to disappear, and their capacity for right and wrong to become established.

One theory behind this is based around the notion that rather than developing theory of mind over the space of years (between say 4-7) they develop it over decades.

Similarly in terms of schizophrenia, it can become less prevalent as the individual ages - which isn't necessarily surprising given the changes that the human brain undergoes in old age. Schizophrenia seems also to be linked to sensory experience (for example there are no cases of someone who has been born blind developing schizophrenia).

So its not unheard of. Of course as well successful treatment and medication can also lead to an individual being deemed 'cured'. Its also potentially possible for the effects of long term medication to reverse a disorder (effecting the brain chemistry permanently).

Also some people go into a spontaneous remission.

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 12 Aug 16 11.44am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by stayloa

Possible a bit of a non-story.

Huge savings if he can be moved back to a prison and he'll never see freedom because of the severity of his crimes.

The BBC article mentions a psych reviewer speaking with him in the 80s saying he wasn't schizophrenic at all; perhaps just another ploy to get an easy ride in mental health vs prison?

If he's no longer a mental health risk then prison is the correct place for him and we can save some public money.


Broadmoor? You must be joking!?

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Aug 16 12.38pm

Originally posted by silvertop


Broadmoor? You must be joking!?

Quite - He did have someone stab his eyes out with pencils and another patient came very close to strangling him (only prevented by two other patients come to his aid), and a final inmate tried to stab him in 2007.

Whilst prison is being locked up with some very dangerous people. Broadmoor secure wing is being locked up only with very dangerous and unstable people. Almost none of whom are going to be let out.

Its different than being on a section order, which isn't anywhere near as nice as it sounds (and it doesn't sound nice).

Also in terms of schizophrenia, it would depend which version of paranoid schizophrenia he was diagnosed with. The rarer type is very scary. You don't have to hear voices to be schizophrenic. Auditory hallucinations are rarely a distinct system in paranoid schizophrenia. It tends to be focused more on delusions of thought, paranoia and repeated irrational behaviours, than hearing voices.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 12 Aug 16 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Quite - He did have someone stab his eyes out with pencils and another patient came very close to strangling him (only prevented by two other patients come to his aid), and a final inmate tried to stab him in 2007.

Whilst prison is being locked up with some very dangerous people. Broadmoor secure wing is being locked up only with very dangerous and unstable people. Almost none of whom are going to be let out.

Its different than being on a section order, which isn't anywhere near as nice as it sounds (and it doesn't sound nice).

Also in terms of schizophrenia, it would depend which version of paranoid schizophrenia he was diagnosed with. The rarer type is very scary. You don't have to hear voices to be schizophrenic. Auditory hallucinations are rarely a distinct system in paranoid schizophrenia. It tends to be focused more on delusions of thought, paranoia and repeated irrational behaviours, than hearing voices.

It was a Parker rollerball pen actually.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Aug 16 12.53pm

Originally posted by Stuk

It was a Parker rollerball pen actually.

Classy, bet you don't get those in prison Time spent in the psych ward doesn't count as time served usually, if you didn't get a 'diminished responsibility or insanity' plea (I'm not sure if that is still the case).

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Classy, bet you don't get those in prison Time spent in the psych ward doesn't count as time served usually, if you didn't get a 'diminished responsibility or insanity' plea (I'm not sure if that is still the case).

Gives a new meaning to the pen is mightier than the sword...

Can just imagine the shrink as he went home that day "now, where did I leave my pen?"

 


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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 12 Aug 16 2.00pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

It was a Parker rollerball pen actually.

Maybe he got it from Michael Parkinson, just for enquiring.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Aug 16 2.02pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Surely just shooting him in the head would be cheapest option for the tax-payer. I'll do it for fifty quid: tax-payer would save 100s of thousands. Not much I wouldn't do for fifty quid, although I heard there are some who would do it for free.

 


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