You are here: Home > Message Board > Palace Talk > Newcastle fan- I come in peace.
March 19 2024 9.34am

Newcastle fan- I come in peace.

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 2 of 25 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 >

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Aug 16 11.21am

Originally posted by Gallowgate Ender

Well after Pardew chose to leave for more money and total control over transfers, the board appointed john carver on an interim basis, and he was as bad as pardew, then after that they appointed McClaren who was probably even worse.
Benitez came in and couldn't save the sinking ship in time.

So it was definitely Pardew that was the problem then. Benitez and McClaren are both more accomplished and experienced managers than Pardew.

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Aug 16 11.22am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by steph_eagle

I really don't get why their fans feel the need to come on here all the time. I love the fact they all start with 'am not here to gloat' when they are.

I don't read it that way. I think the Toon fans are looking for reinforcement that they were right all along. If it wasn't Pardew then they would have to look elsewhere to understand what their problem was. Pardew is a simple solution to a complex question. And he is easy to knock with his dubious morality, his gambling history (allegedly) and his ridiculous levels of self-belief.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
ParchmoreEagle Flag Belair 15 Aug 16 11.24am

Originally posted by Bangell

You're right, our team is toothless - but that's because we haven't spent on any attacking reinforcements, and I don't think even Newcastle fans think Pardew is so stupid that he's not desperate to get upgrades into this squad ASAP. The lack of infrastructure at this club with regards to transfers, and the penny-pinching of our negotiators are delaying the transfers which could have settled my fears at least.

The WBA debacle was nothing to do with transfers. Pardew was unable to prepare a team to combat a very predictable
bottom rung EPL team. WBA beat us all over the park. We were useless despite months to prepare. Pardew is a legend in his own mind. The lesson from our toon visitor and Newcastle is that there are (believe it or not) worse options that Pardew. But if we can get someone close to Rafa then we should divorce and remarry asap.

 


[Link]

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
View Gallowgate Ender's Profile Gallowgate Ender Flag 15 Aug 16 11.24am Send a Private Message to Gallowgate Ender Add Gallowgate Ender as a friend

When we signed Cisse in jan2012 he scored 12 goals in 13 appearances.
Pardew played him as a right midfielder for the first few months of the following season. Absolutely baffling.

Now Pardiola has total control at palace and he says you need more goals he allows players like Gayle to leave, but his incoming purchases have been the likes of Whickham and Adebayor.

He will kill your club

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Gallowgate Ender's Profile Gallowgate Ender Flag 15 Aug 16 11.29am Send a Private Message to Gallowgate Ender Add Gallowgate Ender as a friend

Parchmore Eagle, I dunno how to quote but you are right.
Worse options than Pardew for sure, but don't let fear of the unknown keep you in a miserable situation.

Pardew done the worst thing a manager can do, and removed HOPE from the supporters. The way you start the season and think "you never know...."

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 15 Aug 16 11.30am Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

Originally posted by ParchmoreEagle

The WBA debacle was nothing to do with transfers. Pardew was unable to prepare a team to combat a very predictable
bottom rung EPL team. WBA beat us all over the park. We were useless despite months to prepare. Pardew is a legend in his own mind. The lesson from our toon visitor and Newcastle is that there are (believe it or not) worse options that Pardew. But if we can get someone close to Rafa then we should divorce and remarry asap.

Our only attacking options were wide players, it's not hard to predict and it's not hard to defend against us. We had absolutely no creativity through the middle, having to squeeze Championship-quality Lee into the no. 10 position.

If we wanted a new manager we should have got one at the end of last season. Things will only be made worse by destabilising the club now.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Aug 16 11.30am

Originally posted by Gallowgate Ender

I'd also add that it's my opinion that Pardew is a lucky manager, stumbles on a formation or a line up (usually forced on him by injuries or suspension) then might win, say 6 out of 10, and the pardew for england noises start. But he can't sustain that level and goes on long winless runs which he can't turn around. That suggests he doesn't really know how to affect a result. But he'll always blame luck or bad luck when it's not going his way

He did however seem to do rather well at Newcastle or at least fairly consistently over that period of time, also winning the Manager of the season, and achieving some respectable placing's. Granted I accept it wasn't like the glory days, and Houghton's record was better, but that did include playing in the championship with a premiership team.

Probably the most successful manager you've had in a decade (allowing for the fact that Houghton's championship advantage.

And it does seem to have been even worse since he left. Is it possible that actually he was playing a rather good hand, with some very poor cards?

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Aug 16 11.35am

Originally posted by Gallowgate Ender

Parchmore Eagle, I dunno how to quote but you are right.
Worse options than Pardew for sure, but don't let fear of the unknown keep you in a miserable situation.

Pardew done the worst thing a manager can do, and removed HOPE from the supporters. The way you start the season and think "you never know...."

Not really, I think getting a team relegated. You did seem to be doing rather ok until he left. Arguably pushed out by the 'great loyal Newcastle fans', than anything else.

We then went from absolutely s**t to go onto record our most successful 12 months of football for 20 years, going from bottom, to get our higest ever premiership finish, and second best finish of all time.

How does it happen, if Pardew is so bad, that he seems to keep poor clubs punching well above their weight (see Southampton as well)

I don't think he's great by the way. But I think he's about the best that clubs of our level can realistically hope to attract.

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Aug 16 11.37am

Originally posted by Gallowgate Ender

Parchmore Eagle, I dunno how to quote but you are right.
Worse options than Pardew for sure, but don't let fear of the unknown keep you in a miserable situation.

Pardew done the worst thing a manager can do, and removed HOPE from the supporters. The way you start the season and think "you never know...."

The little white box in the bottom right with the quotation /speech symbol in it actives the quote function.

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
View Gallowgate Ender's Profile Gallowgate Ender Flag 15 Aug 16 11.37am Send a Private Message to Gallowgate Ender Add Gallowgate Ender as a friend

In 2012/13 we went from 5th in 2012 to surviving with 2 games to go. He blamed the europa league but apart from the quarter final, he usually made around 9 changes from European to league games.
I don't see that as playing a good hand with bad cards.
In 2013/14 there was two spells where the team won 5 or 6 games quite close to each other. Then he won lost 15 out of the final 23. Apart from 11/12 we lost 19 or more games in a season with him in charge, conceding 60 ot more goala and played absolutely dreadful football

Its coming to palace as well and you can't see it

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Aug 16 11.38am

Originally posted by Gallowgate Ender

When we signed Cisse in jan2012 he scored 12 goals in 13 appearances.
Pardew played him as a right midfielder for the first few months of the following season. Absolutely baffling.

Now Pardiola has total control at palace and he says you need more goals he allows players like Gayle to leave, but his incoming purchases have been the likes of Whickham and Adebayor.

He will kill your club

I think only fans and owners can really achieve this. Managers, like players, are transitory. Newcastle really can blame sections of their fans and the board/owners for their problems.

Its certainly not Alan Pardew's fault.

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
View Gallowgate Ender's Profile Gallowgate Ender Flag 15 Aug 16 11.40am Send a Private Message to Gallowgate Ender Add Gallowgate Ender as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Not really, I think getting a team relegated. You did seem to be doing rather ok until he left. Arguably pushed out by the 'great loyal Newcastle fans', than anything else.

We then went from absolutely s**t to go onto record our most successful 12 months of football for 20 years, going from bottom, to get our higest ever premiership finish, and second best finish of all time.

How does it happen, if Pardew is so bad, that he seems to keep poor clubs punching well above their weight (see Southampton as well)

I don't think he's great by the way. But I think he's about the best that clubs of our level can realistically hope to attract.

Newcastle finished 5th in his first full season then fought relegation every year after. He starts well then the problems ztart. Same as at all his clubs. First year he's good then it goes wrong falling out with everybody and makes football no fun. He's all about his own image and ego.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

 

Page 2 of 25 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > Palace Talk > Newcastle fan- I come in peace.