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Flash Flag Lampeter 12 Sep 16 6.53pm

I feel Cabaye is a useful option rather than a certain starter now. As others have said, his arrival made other big names see us in a different light as a possible destination. Adding Townsend and Benteke has definitely made us more attractive to transfer targets, but Cabaye was the first eye-opener.
As one poster said, he's a hard tackler. I've heard his tackles described as somewhat agricultural.
At the age of 30, I guess he hasn't got much of a resale value so keep him as back up & give him sufficient rest time to get back to full fitness. With injuries and particularly suspensions in this heavily carded role, I'm sure he'll have opportunities to perform.

 

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Flash Flag Lampeter 12 Sep 16 7.33pm

Originally posted by paperhat

in answer to the OP, No, we are not.

close thread.

Paperthin argument.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 12 Sep 16 7.52pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

I agree his form has dipped, but he's still a far better footballer than Ledley.

I think he's judged very harshly by some because he was our first 'international' signing - if you compare his performances to most of the team, he's usually one of the better players, but because it's Cabaye, it's not considered so.

 

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View GlaziertoEagle's Profile GlaziertoEagle Flag Coventry 12 Sep 16 8.42pm Send a Private Message to GlaziertoEagle Add GlaziertoEagle as a friend

I'm actually looking forward to seeing him play with Flamini at some stage, hacks-a-plenty from those two!

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 12 Sep 16 9.19pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I agree his form has dipped, but he's still a far better footballer than Ledley.

I think he's judged very harshly by some because he was our first 'international' signing - if you compare his performances to most of the team, he's usually one of the better players, but because it's Cabaye, it's not considered so.

This is the major problem when judging this position that people get wrong. It doesn't matter about who is a better a footballer in the DM role imo. It's nice if you find one that can play a bit as well of course. What really counts is effectiveness in this position. Something that Jedi had in spades was effectiveness. Do I feel that Cabaye is as effect as a DM? Not really.

 


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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 12 Sep 16 10.43pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

This is the major problem when judging this position that people get wrong. It doesn't matter about who is a better a footballer in the DM role imo. It's nice if you find one that can play a bit as well of course. What really counts is effectiveness in this position. Something that Jedi had in spades was effectiveness. Do I feel that Cabaye is as effect as a DM? Not really.


You can defend by keeping the ball. Jedi was less ideal at that and our terrible run did coincide almost precisely with when we turned to s*** having been great. Before that point, we'd managed without Jedi.

As well as tackles and interceptionsee he gave the ball away.

Cabaye is a good player. Better than Ledley although I do feel Ledley is very under rated.

 


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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

This is the major problem when judging this position that people get wrong. It doesn't matter about who is a better a footballer in the DM role imo. It's nice if you find one that can play a bit as well of course. What really counts is effectiveness in this position. Something that Jedi had in spades was effectiveness. Do I feel that Cabaye is as effect as a DM? Not really.

He was pretty effective this time last year.

Being a good DM isn't about flying into challenges or winning headers like Jedinak. It's about reading the game, intercepting the ball, squeezing the space, covering your full backs and not giving the ball away. Cabaye is excellent at every one of those.

 


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phillanth Flag London 12 Sep 16 11.55pm

Originally posted by Username

He was pretty effective this time last year.

Being a good DM isn't about flying into challenges or winning headers like Jedinak. It's about reading the game, intercepting the ball, squeezing the space, covering your full backs and not giving the ball away. Cabaye is excellent at every one of those.

Quite right. I thought he made a big difference when he came on at half time at White Hart Lane enabling us get keep possession more and take the game to Tottenham. He also played well in the second half against Bournemouth. I would definitely pick him over Ledley against Stoke because we will need all the creativity we can get. I agree that his set plays have been disappointing though and Benteke should take the next penalty.

 

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View MKCPFC's Profile MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 13 Sep 16 1.04am Send a Private Message to MKCPFC Add MKCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Username

He was pretty effective this time last year.

Being a good DM isn't about flying into challenges or winning headers like Jedinak. It's about reading the game, intercepting the ball, squeezing the space, covering your full backs and not giving the ball away. Cabaye is excellent at every one of those.

I disagree, he lets opponents run through unchallenged on many occasions, (Bournemouth, Spurs, Everton, Norwich), dwells on the ball too long passing the ball ten metres here and there and putting our own players under pressure by keep passing the ball back to them in the same spot they have passed the ball to him so they are still under as much pressure as when they gave the ball to him.
It is no coincidence we looked more fluent and positive in the last league game we won against Stoke when he went off at half time , and again against 'Boro on Saturday, the last two league games we have won. In fact in you look at important stats the last 4 league games we have won , Cabaye only played 90 mins in one v Norwich, and it was not much down to him.
Anyway , just how I see it watching the games.

 

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View Croydonlad's Profile Croydonlad Flag sydenham 13 Sep 16 4.13am Send a Private Message to Croydonlad Add Croydonlad as a friend

I would have Mcarthur and Flamini in there
Forget Cabaye and Ledley

Yes we are better without him
His legs have gone

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 13 Sep 16 7.01am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

This is the major problem when judging this position that people get wrong. It doesn't matter about who is a better a footballer in the DM role imo. It's nice if you find one that can play a bit as well of course. What really counts is effectiveness in this position. Something that Jedi had in spades was effectiveness. Do I feel that Cabaye is as effect as a DM? Not really.

Of course it matters who's a better footballer.

Cabaye was amongst the top 10 in the division for tackles and interceptions last season, so I'd argue he's very effective as a DM.

 

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View Loz83's Profile Loz83 Flag Crawley 13 Sep 16 8.49am Send a Private Message to Loz83 Add Loz83 as a friend

I think Lesley should keep his place for Stoke , don't change a winning team and all that! Cabaye will have to bench it until one of the midfield has a poor game. Will just be nice to have some quality off the bench.

 

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