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Originally posted by Stuk

That was an obvious exaggeration unless you are daft. It was part of a discussion about the bulls*** spouted, by both sides. You disappoint me.

There's f*** all chance of conflict between us and the EU states.

Edited by Stuk (11 Oct 2016 8.58pm)


No. It was your contribution to the discussion highlighting the bullsh1t spouted by Remainers saying "war will break out " immediately post-Brexit vote when, in fact, no one said such a thing (apart from the real bullsh1tters making that up).

It's not an obvious exaggeration. It's just bull.

No big deal though. Worse has been said.


 


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Originally posted by Kermit8


No. It was your contribution to the discussion highlighting the bullsh1t spouted by Remainers saying "war will break out " immediately post-Brexit vote when, in fact, no one said such a thing (apart from the real bullsh1tters making that up).

It's not an obvious exaggeration. It's just bull.

No big deal though. Worse has been said.


I think it's more than obvious that it was an example of the bulls*** and exaggeration from both campaigns.

 


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“In addition to my well known differences with Donald Trump on public policy issues, I have raised questions about his character after his comments on Prisoners of War, the Khan Gold Star family, Judge Curiel and earlier inappropriate comments about women. Just this week, he made outrageous statements about the innocent men in the Central Park Five case.

“As I said yesterday, there are no excuses for Donald Trump’s offensive and demeaning comments in the just released video; no woman should ever be victimized by this kind of inappropriate behavior. He alone bears the burden of his conduct and alone should suffer the consequences.

“I have wanted to support the candidate our party nominated. He was not my choice, but as a past nominee, I thought it was important I respect the fact that Donald Trump won a majority of the delegates by the rules our party set. I thought I owed his supporters that deference.

“But Donald Trump’s behavior this week, concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy. Cindy, with her strong background in human rights and respect for women fully agrees with me on this.

“Cindy and I will not vote for Donald Trump. I have never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate and we will not vote for Hillary Clinton. We will write in the name of some good conservative Republican who is qualified to be President.” - John McCain


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Originally posted by Kermit8

Now who is the bullsh1tter? Don't exaggerate so much. No one said that. What they did say - myself included - is that there will be more chance of conflict in the future with a disintegrating EU. It was formed to enhance peace between member nation amongst other things, you know.

Excuse me ??? :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/08/cameron-brexit-will-increase-risk-of-europe-descending-into-war/

 


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Originally posted by susmik

Excuse me ??? :

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Oct 16 11.44am

Originally posted by susmik

Excuse me ??? :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/08/cameron-brexit-will-increase-risk-of-europe-descending-into-war/

Well yes, technically one could argue that the UK outside of the EU is more likely to be involved in a European war, but realistically the chances are a slight theoretical increase on the potentially possible, but incredibly improbable, and about as close to zero you can get.

And because the UK has been involved in European wars, it cannot be 0. In fact its probably less likely than me winning the lottery, twice.

Its this kind of political hyperbole that should be classed as maleficence.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well yes, technically one could argue that the UK outside of the EU is more likely to be involved in a European war, but realistically the chances are a slight theoretical increase on the potentially possible, but incredibly improbable, and about as close to zero you can get.

And because the UK has been involved in European wars, it cannot be 0. In fact its probably less likely than me winning the lottery, twice.

Its this kind of political hyperbole that should be classed as maleficence.

Jamie my post was for Kermit as he was waffling on about war not being mentioned by the remain side of the vote when we all know it was as the link I gave proves it!

 


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Originally posted by susmik

All that does fella is confirm what i said. I was talking about further down the line, decades, and so was Cameron and not almost immediately after Brexit which what was implied by some Brexiteers as having been said.

Do you not see that there might be clashes over fishing rights, resources, border incursions, etc, which could set things off sometime in the future if it turns out to be a every country for themselves scenario like it was in the not too distant past again?

No EU? Then i'll bet a pound to a penny that some old member states will shed blood before the year 2050.

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

All that does fella is confirm what i said. I was talking about further down the line, decades, and so was Cameron and not almost immediately after Brexit which what was implied by some Brexiteers as having been said.

Do you not see that there might be clashes over fishing rights, resources, border incursions, etc, which could set things off sometime in the future if it turns out to be a every country for themselves scenario like it was in the not too distant past again?

No EU? Then i'll bet a pound to a penny that some old member states will shed blood before the year 2050.

Would suggest that the single currency which permanently establishes German dominance over Southern Europe is far more likely to cause reason for grievance than anything the UK has done recently, including Brexit.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Oct 16 1.55pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

All that does fella is confirm what i said. I was talking about further down the line, decades, and so was Cameron and not almost immediately after Brexit which what was implied by some Brexiteers as having been said.

Do you not see that there might be clashes over fishing rights, resources, border incursions, etc, which could set things off sometime in the future if it turns out to be a every country for themselves scenario like it was in the not too distant past again?

No EU? Then i'll bet a pound to a penny that some old member states will shed blood before the year 2050.

Its incredibly unlikely, given the economic dependency the UK and Europe have, and even then you still have NATO which realistically prevents any European nation starting a conflict with another NATO member (as it would draw in all of NATO).

Given enough time and change of course anything could happen, but then why assume that being in the EU now and foreseeable future would make a difference in that kind of time frame.

Some old member states were shedding blood even whilst members of EU, we were one of them.

However the primary reason why the UK would not engage in a war with its European counterparts, is that its not cost effective. Post WWII wars between equal technological nations have become non-existant, simply because even without nuclear capability it would be utterly devastating to both countries, and thus would reduce the global status position and European position of both nations.

Countries fight wars, because either they've no choice and protect their interests, or to increase their interests. A war with say France, would render both the UK and France, third world status powers within a few days, result in utter devastation of both countries infrastructures, economic ruin and terrible casualties on both sides.

The UK, outside of the EU, is even less likely to become enaged in conflict with EU member states, because of the impact of sanctions that those states would levy on it.

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

All that does fella is confirm what i said. I was talking about further down the line, decades, and so was Cameron and not almost immediately after Brexit which what was implied by some Brexiteers as having been said.

Do you not see that there might be clashes over fishing rights, resources, border incursions, etc, which could set things off sometime in the future if it turns out to be a every country for themselves scenario like it was in the not too distant past again?

No EU? Then i'll bet a pound to a penny that some old member states will shed blood before the year 2050.

We are an island and economic exclusion zones are well established in international law.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Oct 16 1.58pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

All that does fella is confirm what i said. I was talking about further down the line, decades, and so was Cameron and not almost immediately after Brexit which what was implied by some Brexiteers as having been said.

Do you not see that there might be clashes over fishing rights, resources, border incursions, etc, which could set things off sometime in the future if it turns out to be a every country for themselves scenario like it was in the not too distant past again?

No EU? Then i'll bet a pound to a penny that some old member states will shed blood before the year 2050.

Realistically, that would only really be applicable to the feudal era and early empire. Both WWI and WWII for example, weren't free for all's at all, but were more about different allies lining up on different sides.

In WWI the British entered the war directly to support the French.

 


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