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  Hrolf The Ganger  10 Nov 16 12.40pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think its a bit different to Brexit, as a lot of that really revolved around freedom of movement and drew a lot of left wing support. It also defined very little in terms of power, and of course did nothing to affect the establishment, who remained in power. Maybe, but the Trump campaign was fairly isolationist, and typically those aren't great grounds for trade deals. Doesn't look too positive for NATO either, which is good news for Russia. Whilst it could be good news for the US, its certainly not good news for the rest of the world to have a US President who's focus is specifically US interests.
Besides, surely no one believes the specifics of his campaign promises.
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| bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 10 Nov 16 4.12pm |
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Originally posted by Barcelona Based Fan
Now mass demonstrations all over the country!! Am waiting in anticipation for the Trumpers to come out and have it with those demonstrating. I think if people had protested after Brexit their could have been some serious violence up and down the country.
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| Part Time James 10 Nov 16 4.15pm |
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What do we want? Democracy!
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 16 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Besides, surely no one believes the specifics of his campaign promises. Quite a brutal one, given several of his pledges in running were probably unconstitutional and the wall is a bloody logistical and financial nightmare of construction. It does concern me when people say 'surely no one believes the specifics of his promises' because if so, then why the f**king f**k vote for someone, who isn't going to implement any of the policy pledges???
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 16 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Besides, surely no one believes the specifics of his campaign promises. Isolationists tend to see the US interests specifically in how they deliver into the US, with little regard to the greater external interests of other nations, including allies. Take Nato - Trump was against the US funding of a larger stake in NATO and a greater funding of the organisation by member states.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 16 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by bubble wrap
Am waiting in anticipation for the Trumpers to come out and have it with those demonstrating. I think if people had protested after Brexit their could have been some serious violence up and down the country. I don't see a problem with people protesting. People see elections in terms of winners and losers, but its about representation. Whilst their preferred candidate lost, doesn't mean you should just shut up for 4 years. Indeed you should make the incumbent very aware of just how much you object to their policy - after all they represent both the winners and losers of the election. After all, part of the process of winning is healing the divisions right? Plus its not like we didn't have all kinds of republican based nonsense over Barrack Obama when he won (not least about him being a Muslim and not being a US citizen etc). But they also need to take a very strong look at their own party.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 16 8.32pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Quite a brutal one, given several of his pledges in running were probably unconstitutional and the wall is a bloody logistical and financial nightmare of construction. It does concern me when people say 'surely no one believes the specifics of his promises' because if so, then why the f**king f**k vote for someone, who isn't going to implement any of the policy pledges??? We do that at every election. How many election promises have been kept in the last 50 years in Britain or the US? I'd be interested to see a study.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 16 8.36pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Isolationists tend to see the US interests specifically in how they deliver into the US, with little regard to the greater external interests of other nations, including allies. Take Nato - Trump was against the US funding of a larger stake in NATO and a greater funding of the organisation by member states. Perhaps that is reasonable. The US pays more than it's fair share.
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| blackpalacefan 10 Nov 16 8.52pm |
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We have a wild time ahead of us. With the CIA stating that Russia was involved in numerous hacks and those with close times to Putin saying that they have may have "helped a bit with wikileaks" it makes you wonder where the US is heading. I hope any further external influence isn't based on dirt they may have on Trump and is instead limited to the fact that they both draw on and encourage nationalistic sensibilities. There will be plenty of turning a blind eye to Russian atrocities in coming years in exchange for playing nice with the US. Ironic considering how outraged people have been over their behaviour in Crimea. How soon people forget, when they get what they want.
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| blackpalacefan 11 Nov 16 12.50am |
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Trump Considering Chase CEO He Once Dubbed “Worst Banker In U.S.” To Head Treasury Trump fills the swamp with more lobbyists No matter republican or democrat the people are very easily duped
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jeeagles  11 Nov 16 8.45am |
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Given that I don't live in an area where there is any real crime or poverty, and that most of my peers are either graduates or have good jobs I'm not really in touch with the "dissolution" brexit/Trump voters. What has dawned on me other the last few days is that they are left behind by parties fighting over the middle ground and are willing to vote for anyone who's not the status quo. In 2011 Croydon was on the front page of papers all round the world due to the riots. Today the first 20 pages are about when Trump will call May, leaving Tuesday's accident to page 20. The media and politician's need to both pull heads out of their assembles and start concentrating on issues affecting average people in Britain
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 11 Nov 16 9.01am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We do that at every election. How many election promises have been kept in the last 50 years in Britain or the US? I'd be interested to see a study. The EU referendum?
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